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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: BAILIFF NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT - London, driving in ULEZ zone, A5 Shoot-Up Hill
« on: July 14, 2024, 08:35:11 pm »
Hi, I stayed between family members in my caravan and had my post sent to my Mums house, not via a redirection though. I'm not trying to be vague on details but I was going through a terrible time in my life at that time and I'm trying to avoid bringing that into this too much and just trying to provide what I would think are necessary details. It was always my intention to sell the golf as soon as possible after the sale of my property I needed something bigger and more reliable with me intending to move a fair distance away from my place of work. I was also house hunting straight away so I knew my living arrangements would be temporary.

I did not update the address on the V5 because I had every intention of selling the car (Ideally as a part ex to save me a bit of hassle), and I was living temporarily between family members while waiting to complete on the purchase of my next property. I was also suffering from undiagnosed depression at the time, along with anxiety and stress. I'm not sure if that matters here, but it made it very difficult to function at times.

Thank you

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: BAILIFF NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT - London, driving in ULEZ zone, A5 Shoot-Up Hill
« on: July 14, 2024, 04:53:32 pm »
Quote from: Enceladus on July 14, 2024, 02:11:19 pm
When you traded in the vehicle you should have notified the DVLA by filling in and sending the applicable section of the V5c. You could also have done this online with the Doc Ref No from the V5c. You still could if you have a copy of the V5c?

It's a bit of a long story with this trader. On the day we part-exchanged, the trader took the V5 for the car I was trading in (Golf) and gave me the new keeper slip for the one I was buying (Honda). He said he would sort out the change of ownership for both of the vehicles, I didn't think anything of this, but I have since found out I should have done this myself. It didn't even occur to me that he wouldn't have changed the ownership of the golf, and this only came to my attention on the 11/07/24. He also never changed the ownership of the Honda, but that is a whole other story and not relevant to the case itself.

I appreciate your suggestions for what to write. I will do as you advise and wait for the input of others. I do feel up against the clock so I'll just send what I've got if I don't hear anything further.

Thank you


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: BAILIFF NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT - London, driving in ULEZ zone, A5 Shoot-Up Hill
« on: July 13, 2024, 05:54:12 pm »
Hi Everyone,

I just want to thank you all for your help so far, I really appreciate it.

I've put together a draft for the PE2 and PE3 forms:

PE3

My reasons are (give full reasons):

I moved from *************** on 23/08/2023 to ************ on 03/11/2023 as shown by the attached documents (completion statements for both properties).

PE2

My reasons for filing the Statutory Declaration outside the given time are as follows: (Please give full details).
(Do not give your reasons for appeal against the original penalty charge on this form).

I moved from ******************* on 23/08/2023 to *************** on 03/11/2023 as shown by the attached documents (completion statements for both properties). Between the 23/08/2023 and 03/11/2023, I had no fixed address. Due to this, I did not receive any of the statutory documents, in particular the Penalty Charge Notice and the Order of Recovery. I had also sold the car in question (registration plate: RV56 VTG) as a part exchange with a trader on 11/10/2023 which is prior to the date of the alleged contravention, please see the attached receipt. I was not the owner or the driver of the car in question on the date of the alleged contravention. I only became aware of the details of the contravention on 11/07/2024 following a series of text messages from a debt recovery company.


I wasn't sure if to go into too much detail about the whole situation with the trader, I didn't think it was necessary to go into detail about it. Happy to write something up if you think it would help.

When actually filling it in, does it need to be all handwritten and then scanned, or can you type it up on a computer? The 2 completion statements were received via email (PDF docs), so I assume it would be okay just to attach as they are? As in I don't have to faff around printing them off, to scan them, to then email them? The invoice will be scanned as it's a paper copy.

Thank you again

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: BAILIFF NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT - London, driving in ULEZ zone, A5 Shoot-Up Hill
« on: July 13, 2024, 04:32:36 pm »
Quote from: Enceladus on July 13, 2024, 02:25:18 pm
PS.
What's the reg number of the car in question?

Sorry, I missed this bit. It's RV56 VTG

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: BAILIFF NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT - London, driving in ULEZ zone, A5 Shoot-Up Hill
« on: July 13, 2024, 03:01:45 pm »
Hi,

I received an email from the DVLA following my conversation with them on 11/07/24 (when it came to my attention that my old vehicle was still in my name)

'Dear Customer,

Thank you for contacting DVLA, following your conversation please find details below as discussed for your enquiry.

As you no longer have the vehicle and no V5C is available, please return a letter confirming your full name and address (current and previous if you have moved and not notified the DVLA), the registration number, make & model of the vehicle, the exact date of sale/transfer/scrapping and the name & address of the new keeper/motor trader/scrap dealer (if available). You will need to sign and date the letter

Please write the vehicle registration number and subject of your enquiry at the top of your letter

Please return this to:

DVLA

Swansea

SA991BD'


I sold my property on 23/08/23, then moved into a caravan while looking for another property to buy.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: BAILIFF NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT - London, driving in ULEZ zone, A5 Shoot-Up Hill
« on: July 13, 2024, 02:36:40 pm »
Thank you for clarifying the difference between the PE2 and PE3 forms. I will put something together and run it by you.

To answer your questions:

1. 'For the purposes of these forms you are the respondent and TFL is the applicant. You'll need the PCN number, do you have it?' Yes. I obtained this from ULEZ yesterday

2. 'Have you got anything from the dealer to help prove that you traded the car in? Might be on the invoice for the new car?' Yes, I have an invoice

3. 'As I understand your opening post you only have text messages from the enforcement agents? Do you have a Notice of Enforcement?' I have only received text messages, and do not have a notice of enforcement. Presumably, this is at my previous address

And just lastly, I have been in touch with the DVLA and they have giving me the information I need to change the registered keeper details of the offending vehicle.

Thank you

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: BAILIFF NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT - London, driving in ULEZ zone, A5 Shoot-Up Hill
« on: July 13, 2024, 01:42:15 pm »
Hi Neil,

Thank you for replying.

I am struggling to understand the difference between the PE2 and PE3 forms. I have looked for guidance online and there doesn't seem to be much that can help me.

For my reason on the PE3 form I have stated - 'I am filing a PE3 because I did not receive the initial PCN or subsequent PCN’s/correspondence due to the sale of the property prior to the contravention. I have not received any PCN’s/correspondence at my current address - '

Would I need to put the same as the reason on the PE2?

I am sorry if I'm not supposed to be asking this, but I just don't want to fall at the first hurdle.

Thank you

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / BAILIFF NOTICE OF ENFORCEMENT - London, driving in ULEZ zone, A5 Shoot-Up Hill
« on: July 13, 2024, 12:54:29 pm »
I started getting text messages on the 04/06/24. The first one read - 'You have an outstanding account. Pay now using **** or contact CDER URGENTLY on 0330 460 5295, Ref *******'. The second two sent on 06/06/24 and 11/06/24 both read - 'Our ANPR vehicles are patrolling your area and your vehicle may be removed. Please contact CDER on 0330 460 5295. Ref *******'. The last message sent 11/07/24 said- 'Your account may be issued to an Agent to visit your home. Pay now using ***** or contact CDER on 0330 460 5295, ref ********'.

Initially I just thought these messages were spam and ignored them, but after the one on 11/07, I thought I'd take a look further into it and after determining the links were safe, I clicked on them. It took me to a page where it says I owe £589, but doesn't say what for. I called the company, but as I wouldn't provide my address since I didn't know what the fine was for, and under threat of being visited by bailiffs. I then contacted an advice company who organised a 3 way call with CDER Group. It turns out the fine is for a ULEZ charge from December 2023 for my previous car, which I sold in October 2023. When I sold my previous car, it was through part ex with a trader, who took the V5 for my previous car, and said he would sort the transfer of ownership, I have since found out this is not correct. It turns out, the trader never transferred ownership for either of the cars! I've been chasing the trader and he will not respond and has blocked me in all places.

I have not received any of the letters from the creditors as I had sold the property correspondence would have been sent to. The first notification I had was via the text messages I received.

I have been in touch with Citizens Advice, who informed me that due to the circumstances, I shouldn't be liable for paying the fine, they did also say this was an unusual case. CA advised me to contact ULEZ to first check the legitimacy of the messages, which I did. ULEZ said to me to contact The Traffic Enforcement Agency to request a PE2 and PE3, which I have and I'm just at the stage of filling this in. I'm conscious about getting this filled in correctly as I am aware they are often rejected. If my appeal is successful, I know that doesn't mean the PCN will be cancelled, and I am just wondering how I would go about getting it fully cancelled if the appeal is successful.

Any advice on this situation would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you

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