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To be clear it is this end of bus lane sign by the traffic lights, which seem to have separate lights for buses? 



Yes it is, and I hadn't even considered separate lights to be honest, I just saw the sign and read it as a "get in lane" type sign especially with the traffic ahead.
I've checked the guidelines for cancellation and it does say if the vehicle cuts the end of the lane to turn left they may cancel it

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I have received the following which I am extremely annoyed about.

As shown in the PCN photos there was a long queue of cars in the right hand lane during rush hour, and there was a queue after the traffic lights also filling the left lane. Since I saw the "END OF BUS LANE" sign I falsely believed I could safely move over a few cars before the sign so as not to block the right hand lane while waiting in hope that someone would let me into the left lane. The video also captures me indicating and moving into the lane at the last minute showing that I was using the correct lane the rest of the time.

All common sense driving to get in your lane at a suitable time and not try to cut into traffic but this camera is clearly designed to extort that. 

GSV link

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There's no defence for any of these three drivers - undercutting traffic like this is tempting but not in a bus lane provided it is properly signed.

There may be something in the PCN or website.

You left your name and address showing.




I wasn't trying to undercut at all, I thought since it was signed end of bus lane it was okay to move over on approach to the sign, and since the lanes were jammed it made every sense to.

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I have received the following which I am extremely annoyed about.

As shown in the PCN photos there was a long queue of cars in the right hand lane during rush hour, and there was a queue after the traffic lights also filling the left lane. Since I saw the "END OF BUS LANE" sign I falsely believed I could safely move over a few cars before the sign so as not to block the right hand lane while waiting in hope that someone would left me into the left lane. The video also captures me indicating and moving into the lane at the last minute showing that I was using the correct lane the rest of the time.

All common sense driving to get in your lane at a suitable time and not try to cut into traffic but this camera is clearly designed to extort that. 

GSV link

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Then how did the driver get there without observing the contextual road markings? And 'I've seen vehicles there a few times too so I was satisfied it was permitted.' would suggest you know the area.

You're free to make reps and pursue your legal rights(if you are the keeper) to adjudication. Your choice.

I'm simply giving you what I believe would be the council's view and that of an adjudicator.

Your argument is that you were parked on the carriageway with no markings to indicate a restriction. I put it this way because if you knew that you were not on the carriageway but the footway instead then as you are expected to know that markings may only be placed at the edge of the carriageway you were obliged to look for the edge of the carriageway, even if beyond a dwarf wall.

I explained in my very first post.. "placed in such a way the driver would never see it on entry or exit to the area."
I certainly didn't see them when I drove in at the side with the wall obscuring the view and it was during darkness. There are also two trees on the left side now which aren't shown on the street view.
There is enough space to park a car on the other side of the wall where the markings and signage are in place so it isn't reasonable any average person would assume them to also apply to behind the wall as well.

I would certainly like to make reps but I'm not yet sure what I should be saying.

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The average road user is definitely not going to check over the edge of a wall for such markings, or assume they would even apply beyond it.

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Sheffield council have confirmed the entire area up to the buildings edge is adopted and part of the highway.
I'm not sure where to go with this now, it seems ambiguously unfair to an average road user to know this from a sign facing over a wall area which vehicles could also reasonably park.


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You were either trespassing, because it's not land over which the public has a right to pass, or you were within the scope of the waiting restriction, because it's part of the road.

We're not concerned with the former.

So, would an adjudicator find that this land is part of a road?

Frankly, with no current or historical evidence (in particular GSV) who knows?

My view is that it would be considered to be part of the road.

You could request the council-with their Highway Authority hat on- to provide you with a copy of the highway terrier for the location as this would at least establish whether they maintain the area.

I just did search on the highway register and it shows Shude Hill as adopted, NOT part adopted. I guess this would infer it is part of the road?
But if so is that signage correct for behind the wall?

Thanks

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By breach of regs I meant more that the council is applying them creatively in the context of that sign.
I'd be grateful if a few more veterans could chip in since at the moment there is 1 yes and 1 no regarding whether it applies to where the vehicle was parked
Thanks

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Thanks for replies but still unsure where to go with this at the moment, can anyone definitively confirm if this signage is in breach of regs?

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I can't, Google didn't even survey the road past that area for some reason which is why I had to use Bing street view instead for the image.
I am parked in the top right corner by the black door as you can sort of see from the small council image, if you mean the two short yellow lines marked vertically all along the area, no there aren't any.

This is the bing view link

Thanks

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I parked here in the dark, did a quick scan of the area and couldn't see any signage, I've seen vehicles there a few times too so I was satisfied it was permitted.
Reviewing the PCN images shows a single no loading at any time sign which is not only facing the wrong direction and wrong side, but placed in such a way the driver would never see it on entry or exit to the area.

See images below, note the tree in the street view image which would help to imply not to park there has now been removed.

Please advise if there is a good case for reps on the signage?

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I was gone for 30 minutes or so, I'm not sure there is really anything I can claim?
Thanks

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It was just to drop some stuff to a friend at a near by flat and stayed a little while.

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