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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cumberland Road Bus Gate
« on: August 29, 2024, 11:27:57 pm »
Although, now seeing the photos on the 3rd page which is what we would have seen approaching from I believe Ferry Road, I can see why we were confused - that small sign with all those different vehicles in - no stop or warning don't go down here if you are 95% of the general public in a car.

Ulgh. Oh well.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cumberland Road Bus Gate
« on: August 29, 2024, 11:16:58 pm »
I think I will just pay while I can. Thanks for your help this far guys.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cumberland Road Bus Gate
« on: August 22, 2024, 12:09:43 pm »
Received this via email yesterday, 21st August.

https://imgur.com/a/01xsdub

Along with the requested video as an Mkv file - it just shows the car going through the bus gate, as in the images sent with pcn.

Is this worth pursuing or shall I just pay?


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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cumberland Road Bus Gate
« on: July 24, 2024, 06:07:14 pm »
OK - Just sent, with same wording as suggested above. Here's hoping. Thank you.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cumberland Road Bus Gate
« on: July 23, 2024, 11:55:56 am »
@CP8579 what do you think? I should still say the same think in my appeal tomorrow? They haven't responded as of yet to the request for videos.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cumberland Road Bus Gate
« on: July 19, 2024, 01:32:30 am »
I haven't made any representations. I'm waiting for 24th July (as suggested above) for their response to the email requesting video footage. Does the fact that they say the following in the automatic email response mean that there is not yet a procedural impropriety?  :

"We'll aim to get back to you within 15 working days, however at busy times this may not be possible."

If I've worked it out correctly - 28 days from Date of Service (27/06/2024) means I would need to make representations by 25/07/2024.

15 working days from submission of video footage request on 10th July means their deadline would be later in the month 31/07/2024.

Does this mean the argument given above of procedural impropriety is invalid?

"Dear Bristol City Council,

I challenge liability for this PCN on the grounds of a procedural impropriety. In accordance with the information provided on the PCN I requested a copy of the video footage and this has not been provided. Regulation 3(4) of The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022 provides that such a request must be complied with within a reasonable time, today is the last day on which representations may be made and I have still not received the video.

The authority's failure to comply with my request within a reasonable time amounts to a procedural impropriety.

Yours faithfully,"



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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cumberland Road Bus Gate
« on: July 10, 2024, 12:13:11 pm »
Great idea, thanks so much. I have just done this today 10th July, taking scrrenshots of both suggested screens. Do I need to wait until 26th July now? What was that date of 24th July based on?

Will they pause the time while this is happening so that I will still be able to pay the reduced rate if they do send?

This was the automated response:

Thanks, we've received your enquiry.

We'll aim to get back to you within 15 working days, however at busy times this may not be possible. We'll send our reply to the email address you gave us.  Please don't upload any files again; this message confirms we've received them.

If your query is about Bristol's Clean Air Zone you need to fill in the Clean Air Zone contact form.

 A copy of what you told us is attached.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cumberland Road Bus Gate
« on: July 07, 2024, 11:19:26 pm »
Please see new set of pics here

https://imgur.com/a/d3dov8U

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cumberland Road Bus Gate
« on: July 04, 2024, 01:45:21 pm »
No more pics on website, no. Seems likely it was Hanover Place then, as we just went to look at Banksy piece and then left following sat nav. Would the signage on Hanover Place then not need to be a turn right only sign? Or is the gate further down? So confusing.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cumberland Road Bus Gate
« on: July 04, 2024, 12:16:53 pm »
Hiya John,

I have posted in the MSE forums before and we were always advised to remove Reg number and PCN number (also repeated on bottomo of each page). I've checked those thoroughly and there are no mistakes, but happy to post again with those showing if preferable?

Hoping this is the right way up now.
https://imgur.com/a/IelniqG

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cumberland Road Bus Gate
« on: July 04, 2024, 12:10:05 pm »
OK - so this day we did two journies that would possibly take us on to Cumberland Road :

1. MShed Museum Bristol ---> Banksy's Girl with a Pearl Earring

2. Banky's Girl with a Pearl Earring ---> Martin Paar Foundation

Looking at the pictures on the PCN, it is likely to be the 2nd as the river is on the right of us, which would indicate we are going Eastbound. Therefore, according to the SatNav we are likely to have entered Cumberland Road via Hanover Place https://maps.app.goo.gl/voUGi4KJnZqxFf8CA or Gas Ferry Road https://maps.app.goo.gl/hMo5a1qZyEtLnCV16  but it could have been anywhere really as there is no indication on the letter and the satellite images on google are not updated.

Also - strangely we received 2 PCNs with the same PCN number and information,, but on two different dates of posting. I am now wondering whether they made a mistake and were actually trying to send us two separate PCNs for going East and Westbound on both routes above!? No idea. Should I just ignore this idea since they have only issued one date of detection and time of detection?

Here are some pictures of both routes:
https://imgur.com/a/0wOFdpr

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cumberland Road Bus Gate
« on: July 04, 2024, 11:51:02 am »
Thanks for the location info Slapdash. I am not entirely sure which way i was entering from. I believe we were going from location to location as seen in the attached image, so according to satnav, which takes you down this route,  were likely to have entered from Hanover Place going Eastbouind. I am trying to look on google sqtellite maps, but the red painting on the road has not yet been updated on there so its really difficult to tell.

https://imgur.com/a/0wOFdpr

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Cumberland Road Bus Gate // Bristol City Council
« on: July 04, 2024, 11:41:38 am »
Hiya,

So sorry, I thought I had attached images, but they don't seem to be here. Am following instructions for Imgur

I hope this works.  https://imgur.com/a/9z1K5uQ

I only received the PCV yesterday, 3rd July if that makes any difference.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Cumberland Road Bus Gate
« on: July 03, 2024, 07:33:07 pm »


Hi. I have just received a PCN for driving through a bus gate at Cumberland Road Bus Gate in Bristol. I do not live in Bristol, only ever visiting once for an event - which is when this incident occured. I have never seen a bus gate before, I did not know what I was looking for. I came at the road from a junction ,so only saw one sign regarding it being for buses only, but I thought the bus gate must be something announcing that there will later be a bus lane or something as I could see cars parked all down the road and an otherwise normal road.  I still don't know what a bus gate is really - is it a bus lane?. I was following my sat nav to get me out of the city so it appears this device didn't pick it up either.

Is there any way to appeal this or shall i just pay it? I have seen that these bus gates are making millions as so many people have no idea what they are and end up driving in to them without realising they are doing something wrong.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cjmmj2k3n3no

Thanks for any help in advance.

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