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Thanks for your guidance @Hippocrates , I have submitted below representation and kept screenshots, hope this looks ok?


I make representations against this Penalty Charge Notice on the following grounds.

The PCN fails to comply with mandatory statutory requirements

The PCN does not correctly convey the statutory time periods required under Schedule 1 to the London Local Authorities and Transport for London Act 2003.

The legislation requires that a Penalty Charge Notice clearly state that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice. However, the wording used in this PCN instead refers to, or conflates, the “date of service” and the “date of the notice”, which are legally distinct concepts.

This creates ambiguity as to the applicable time period. A recipient cannot be expected to infer the correct legal position where the notice itself is unclear. The statutory requirements are mandatory, and a failure to properly state them renders the PCN invalid.

Further, the PCN uses wording such as “pay or make representations,” which improperly combines two separate statutory rights. The right to make representations and the obligation to pay are distinct, and the wording used fails to accurately convey this, creating further uncertainty.

The wording relating to any increase in the penalty charge is also unclear and does not properly reflect the statutory sequence required by the Act.

It is well established that a PCN must strictly comply with the requirements of the enabling legislation. Any ambiguity or misstatement amounts to a procedural impropriety and renders the notice unenforceable.

The alleged contravention did not occur due to inadequate signage

Without prejudice to the above, I submit that the alleged contravention did not occur because the signage at the location was not adequate to clearly convey the restriction.

The enforcing authority is put to strict proof that the signage complied with the requirements of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 and was sufficient to inform a reasonably diligent motorist of the restriction.

The signage was not sufficiently clear, prominent, or comprehensible when approached in normal driving conditions. Any restriction must be conveyed in a manner that allows a driver adequate time to read, understand, and safely comply. If signage is obscured, positioned too late, or otherwise confusing, it fails to meet this requirement.

If the authority contends that the signage was compliant, I require strict proof in the form of contemporaneous photographs, a site layout plan, and evidence demonstrating that the signage was correctly positioned, visible, and maintained.

In the absence of such evidence, the authority cannot discharge its burden of proof, and the alleged contravention cannot be established.

In light of the above, I request that the Penalty Charge Notice be cancelled.

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Thanks for clarifying, date on the notice was 26th March and when we add 28 days, it comes to 22/23rd April. Do we also need to account for postal time to find out the date of service of the notice?

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Hello Experts,

Any advice on this one? I think the deadline for filing representation is today.


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Hello Experts,

I was wondering if someone could help me draft a representation. I think it is due by tomorrow or day after.

Thanks

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Hi, Thanks for all the replies so far, What do you advise to put in the representation ? i need to file one soon.

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Hi, yes, I had taken picture of the first page (not the second page) before I misplaced it.

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Hello Experts.

I received this PCN for going straight on the red light while i was in the lane going to the right. I was in lane that can only be used to go right and I did not realise it and tried to safely go straight when it turned green. I did not know that i can get a PCN for doing this. Please can someone advise if I have any chances of defending it.

Please find the first page of the PCN , i am not able to find the paper copy so may not have the second page, would upload if I find it.

https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/Gx12Hky_xl.jpeg

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I meant not being successful at formal representations, I know I might win at adjudication level. I was trying to understand the cost involved once I reach the adjudication stage.

and dvla address is correct so that is all good.


More often than not the discount is re-offered even after unsuccessful reps.

Why would you think you would not be successful at adjudication, their reasoning is total nonsense?

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Thanks for clarifying, my main worry here is, i have the option of paying £80 now which i will not have if i decide to contest this and it will become £160. I know for sure they will reject my formal reps and it will go to LT. At that point, if i need to take help from the experts here to represent, i might have to pay for their invaluable time which if it comes to £50-£60, i might as well pay £80 now and save all this pain for me and others.

You're getting ahead of yourself. This is still the informal stage, pl see the enforcement process here:

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/eat/understanding-enforcement-process/parking-penalty-charge-notice-enforcement-process

As I posted earlier, they were bound to reject because they're in charge at present, they're stupid and money-hungry: what a lethal combination!

Anyway, IMO wait for the NTO and let's hope they mess up with this as well.

You are the registered keeper with current DVLA details?

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Thanks for your reply on that, would someone from the experts here would be able to represent at CC and how much it might cost as I understand their time is also valuable.

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Hello Experts,

I was wondering if anyone had a chance to look at it yet?

Thanks

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Hi,

They have rejected my representation, pleas find the details attached below:

https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/govf1Or_xl.jpg

https://cdn.imgpile.com/f/tecHDeR_xl.jpg

Please could you advise of next steps, are they any chances of fighting it out or should i just pay this?

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It says the notice served but not the contravention occurred.

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Thanks for sharing the representation details. From my previous conversation on one of the other PCN, someone in this forum had previously advised some discrepancy on the PCN wording that made them win the case.

Schedule 2 Para 2 (d) The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Approved Devices, Charging Guidelines and General Provisions) (England) Regulations 2022 provides that a PCN issued under Regulation 9 must state "that the penalty charge must be paid within the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the alleged contravention occurred". The PCN in the present case states that it must be paid within 28 days of the date on which this Penalty Charge Notice was served. Although the two dates will of course often be the same, as the PCN in this case does not state what it is required to state it too is non compliant and no penalty could be demanded on the basis of it.

Do you think, i can mention this as well now?

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