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Well, correct me if I'm wrong but they would also have to prove to the adjudicator's satisfaction that all messaging was uniform on the website and they can't do that because the page that deals with Traffic Management Orders for that zone CA-F has not been updated.

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Thanks for the info, @stamfordman. It helps me build up a total picture.

So that order is dated the 26th September, I parked there without issue on the 5th September, and that means the signs must have been changed between the 7th and 10th October, the date of the PCN.

I was working at a nearby pub at the time and my boss says that they did it "really suddenly and with no written warning to any businesses". He will try to find out the exact date, but being as there's such a small span of time between changing and getting the PCN, maybe my chances of a discretionary cancellation are a little higher. I would certainly prefer that than to have to go through the whole rigmarole of London Tribunals.

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I've said it all in my draft letter. The scans are here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CqXV5K_xs04GyQwRYR_mQkIP21pyKgx2
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1deIwIs35diJkY4DdLWyw3G1ONqdZLmCu

GSV: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5405375,-0.142168,3a,90y,68.9h,78.49t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s5WjcFh-JYaeuzimHtaKigw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D11.509491520105101%26panoid%3D5WjcFh-JYaeuzimHtaKigw%26yaw%3D68.89729515006772!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205410&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwOC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Draft letter:

I received a PCN because Camden Council had recently changed the parking hours for the bay I was parked in.

I have been parking in this same bay on average at least once a week for more than 20 years, and had no reason to believe that my car was parked in a bay that required payment at that time. There were no warning signs at any point that bring it to the motorist’s attention that the parking hours have changed. Further, the parking signage is at the far end of the bay, more than 20 metres from my car.

Having checked on Camden Council’s website, I see that I can download a PDF map from the
following URL: https://www.camden.gov.uk/documents/20142/4207063/CPZ-Web+(1).pdf

This map shows that the parking hours of the CPZ CA-F(n) are between 08:30 and 18:30. This is incorrect, as according to the CPZ signage the parking hours have been extended to 23:00.

Further, I can see that on the page that covers Residents, Paid for parking, Pay by Phone, Shared-Use bays traffic orders for zone CA-F: https://www.camden.gov.uk/cpz-orders#avws
the Traffic Management Order displays the times for this bay (10560) as “MONDAY - FRIDAY: 8.30AM - 6.30PM, SATURDAY, SUNDAY: 9.30AM - 5.30PM”.

The council have therefore provided contradictory messaging on their website to the signage and this is a procedural impropriety. I therefore ask you to cancel this PCN.
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Notes / questions:

My observation about the CPZ is possibly off-topic, but the restricted hours of the CPZs always seem to be aligned with the hours of the parking bays and motorists should be able to rely on this as a guide.

Another point I could raise is that repeater signs should be every 30 metres, and the spirit of that law is that no car will be further than 15m from a sign. My car is 20m from that sign and according to Greenslade in Antonio Prendi v London Borough of Camden (2100346960, 30 September 2010), "motorists cannot be expected to traipse the streets looking for signs".

I expect Camden will probably reject, and it will go to London Tribunals.

Any advice before sending?

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