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Thanks very much,

Here is my proposed appeal:

The signage at the entrance to Wellington Road from the High Street was not readily visible at the time of the alleged contravention. The sign on the left-hand side of the carriageway has been turned through approximately 90 degrees, rendering it effectively invisible to drivers entering the road from this direction.

Furthermore, Wellington Road is divided by a mini roundabout into two distinct sections. The section where my vehicle was parked has no signage at either entry point indicating parking restrictions. Having missed the obscured entry sign due to its condition, and finding no further signage upon entering the second section of the road, I reasonably concluded that this area was unrestricted.

I took care to observe the visible parking restrictions on the road, noting areas marked with double yellow lines and single yellow lines with accompanying signage. I deliberately parked in a section with no road markings and no visible signage indicating any restriction. In the absence of road markings or visible signage, it was reasonable to conclude that this section of the street was unrestricted.

The permit parking area in question does not conform to the Department for Transport's Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3, which provides guidance on the appropriate use of permit parking areas designated by entry signs alone (without bay markings).

Paragraph 13.10.2 of the guidance states that this type of signing is suitable for "a cul-de-sac or a small network of roads with little or no through traffic" and warns that "otherwise the lack of road markings might tempt drivers unfamiliar with the area to park." Wellington Road is a through road with a mini roundabout, not a cul-de-sac or small enclosed network.

The guidance further notes that where a permit parking area "comprises a through road or is used for access to other roads not included in the area," specific amended wording should be used on signage. The current arrangement covers a large zone of multiple roads with unclear boundaries, making it difficult for drivers unfamiliar with the area to identify which streets are included in the restriction.

Even had the entry signage been visible, the application of this signing method to such a large and complex area is inconsistent with the official guidance, which anticipates its use only where drivers can reasonably be expected to understand the extent of the restricted area.

Attached Evidence:

Photograph showing vehicle parked outside the single yellow line restricted area


Photograph showing vehicle parked outside the double yellow line area


Photograph showing distance between vehicle and the single yellow line restriction


Photograph of entry sign at Wellington Road/High Street junction, showing sign rotated 90 degrees


Map of the permit parking zone


Department for Transport Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3 extract (Section 13.10 – Permit Parking Areas)

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On that basis, how would you recommend is best to take this forwards?

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I turned left into Wellington road from the high street, passed the twisted sign at the end of the road (although didn't see any signs at the time). I drove down that part of Wellington road then went across the mini roundabout onto latter part of Wellington road (which has no signs at either end of that section) and parked up.

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Thanks very much,

Based on the information you've shared, there seem to be several possible grounds for appealing based on the permit parking set up itself, as well as an example where the left hand twisted sign has been used successfully to appeal a PCN.

How would you recommend is best to take this forwards?

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I came down the road where the sign is twisted round, went round the mini roundabout and parked up.

I've parked there before without any issues, not sure when the last time was though and I don't know when they brought these restrictions in.

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I have driven round and this is a map of the permit parking area where each red line indicates an entrance point with two signs, one on either side of the road.


One of the two signs at the top of Wellington road is currently at 90 degrees, so facing down the footpath.



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Council: Redbridge council
Alleged contravention: Code 16, parking in a permit space or zone without a permit.
Location: Wellington Road, Wanstead, Redbridge

Just received a PCN on car windscreen parked on a section of the road with no obvious parking restrictions.
The road has a section of double yellow lines, a section of single yellow lines which also has a parking restriction sign, and then a section of road with no markings or signs.
The car was parked on the section of road with no markings or signs but received a yellow ticket on the windscreen regardless.

Photos attached of the layout described above including my car parked as well as of the PCN. My car is the grey VW polo.

I would like to make an appeal and would like advice on the best way to approach this. It seems fairly clear to me that if the sign applies to the section of the road that the car was parked on, then these signs and markings are not adequate and are misleading because the single yellow line clearly ends before where my car is parked, however, I am quite willing to believe that putting just this information into an appeal may well not be accepted and therefore I would like advice on how best to approach this.

Please let me know if I have left out any required information, thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/keYz7FT6PbyuE5Kg8

- PCN FRONT
- PCN BACK
- Car outside single yellow zone 1
- Car outside single yellow zone 2
- Car outside double yellow zone
- parking sign and single yellow line


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Thanks very much for your responses. This is really helpful and seems I would have had a chance to contest the charge.

Unfortunately, I have now paid the amount as I was concerned about getting too close to the deadline and forgetting to pay it and it costing more money.

I now know the instructions mention about how to attach images and that responses can take 7 to 10 days.

Whilst I had skim read the instructions, I hadn't looked at the details as this sort of thing isn't something I'm very good at. Also, I am using my phone for this which isn't the easiest to carry out this sort of thing.

I feel silly now and sorry if I've wasted people's time. I'll know better for any future issues, hopefully there won't be any!

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Thanks very much.

Struggling with attachments unfortunately.

I will check signage in person to ensure still same as what Google maps shows.

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I have received a PCN for stopping at a restricted bus stop. I did stop there but did not realise that I couldn't stop there. There were no signs that communicate this information adequately for me to know this but perhaps legally there was sufficient signage or markings.

My question is what are the legal signage or markings required to appear for this to be valid and enforceable?/what would I need to evidence about the signage to appeal successfully?

This was on Wanstead high street heading towards Wanstead tube station in Redbridge. There appears from Google maps to be a sign at the very end of the bus stop where the bus shelter is (bus stop is approx 3 bus lengths long). I stopped at the start of the bus stop.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/w2y1GDVngMgPLrdn7?g_st=ac

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