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@cp8759, thank you for giving your time to my case.

The map tile and associated legend doesn't indicate a bus lane but a pedestrian zone / prohibited access. I assume this doesn't materially change the bus lane contravention being enforceable. Would the traffic order need authorisation for the signage to be used?

I'm embarrassed by the last paragraph (overconfidence) but here is what I submitted:


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@Incandescent, annoyingly, I may have wasted my representation, but who knows? The HC judgement does put the matter right though. Whilst it would be easier for motorists to have universal bus lane signage and road markings be used throughout the country, the signage does convey a restriction that cars should not enter at specific times. In my circumstances, I don't believe there was sufficient time to have registered the restriction before turning into the restricted 'bus lane' road. There is perhaps 10-15 meters from entering 'Goods Station Road' which you have to see the signage, read the information, register it and change course accordingly. This distance ignores that you may be observing traffic to make a maneuver to change lanes, like I was. To my (now) frustration, had I not been able to change lane, it would have prevented me from being in the correct lane to turn into the 'bus lane' road .

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Thank you, @cp8759.

I read the HC judgement. My laymen understanding from it is that as long as there is signage that clearly prohibits a section of road to be used by a vehicle, this can be used to enforce a bus lane/route penalty. Is that your understanding, also?

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Let's go back to basics, why did you drive past the signs? Did you just miss them or did you not know what they mean?

Simply put, yes, I missed them. The circumstances were that I was only on the road with signage ('Goods Station Road') for a couple of seconds so I did not see the 'advance' notice/signage when making the turn onto the 'bus lane' road. I was following my satnav (being unfamiliar of the town) and only saw the speed limit sign ('20 Zone') and didn't have sufficient time or visibility of the other signage before I had begun turning into the 'bus lane' road.

I fear I may have jumped the gun. I have submitted my representation to say the contravention didn't occur, early this morning.

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Thank you, John. Just out of interest, what prevents Council's from correcting the code? Is there a common legal principle that takes effect in these instances?

Also, would you agree with my proposed appeal, I.e., contravention didn't happen?

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Thank you both for your input.

Presumably TW council could change the contravention code, but for now would you agree my best response is to simply state the contravention 34j did not occur and point to there being no signs or road markings to indicate a bus lane?

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My first time visiting Tunbridge Wells and first bus lane PCN. I did not see the signage for a bus only lane, nor the typical road markings I would expect to see. I was following my satnav to a parking destination that indicated needing to turn down the bus only lane.

Once I had entered the bus only route, I was unaware I was in a bus lane: the road is block paved and I had seen a 20mph road sign so assumed this was because I was entering the centre of town where there would be a lot of people crossing. I did not see any signs or road markings to indicate I was in a bus lane so carried on my merry way and parked in the nearby multistorey. Once I received my penalty notice I checked Google maps and there was in fact a 'no vehicles' sign as you pull onto 'Goods Station Road' from 'Meadow Road' (the direction I was coming from). It also appears again on 'Goods Station Road' at the entrance to 'Grosvenor Road' amongst 3 other signs.

As I was moving onto Goods Station Road I needed to get into the left lane and this is likely why I missed the 'no vehicles' sign as it there is not much time to see it coming from that direction (Meadow Road). Once I turned into Grosvenor Road, I only recall seeing the speed limit sign. The second no vehicle sign is obscured by the traffic light. The other signage (4 clustered together) I would have not had time to register all at once (the traffic was flowing, no lights to stop).

Any advice welcome for an appeal. I really don't think the signage is adequate (little time to register, obscured and overly crowded) coupled with the fact there is no road markings indicating a bus lane. This doesn't appear to be a bus lane, but rather a bus-only route. I don't know if that makes a difference but this case (quashed at tribunal) I believe reflects mine quite closely: https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/cheltenham-news/fine-quashed-after-bus-lane-8223581?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar.

All images here
(notice, council's evidence and google maps images:
https://imgur.com/a/591uTDk

Google map links

Meadow Road turning onto Goods Station Road: Meadow Rd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/yaa5XsXP6QmpHqH36?g_st=ac


Leading up to bus only road (on Goods Station Road): https://maps.app.goo.gl/5BuKjKhRYDSbfkKR7?g_st=ac

At turning: https://maps.app.goo.gl/9kJv95phBjKfBHw4A?g_st=ac

On bus only road: https://maps.app.goo.gl/gtK1pmpgwc9wAXWy7?g_st=ac

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