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The Flame Pit / Re: Kingston opon Thames - 31J yellow box - Kingston Road
« on: September 07, 2025, 10:03:16 am »
Roger the Dodger

I am somewhat dumbfounded by you starting this post

According to your stance on public servants having any validity, I am surprised your Civil Rights Lawyer PM is not himself pursuing endless cases against all the media and endless public posts for Defamation, data protection and harassment as he is in total denial to all the claims against him.
1. Defamation (Defamation Act 2013): The statements made are false and have the potential to cause serious harm to the named person’s reputation, particularly in relation to the employment. This constitutes defamatory material.

2. Data Protection and UK GDPR (Data Protection Act 2018): The publication of the persons’s full name without consent amounts to unlawful processing of personal data. There is no lawful basis for the disclosure of such data in this context. - irony at its finest that one

3. Harassment (Protection from Harassment Act 1997): Publicly targeting an individual in this manner way could amount to a harassment investigation which is recognised as both a civil wrong and a criminal offence.

Pity you don't put your energy to shake up your PCN Micky Mouse cowboy council employees and get them to act in a honest and professional manner as this Kingston bus lane is still ongoing years later. Your Council were fully aware of the missing signage due to road works but still issued PCN and have never had the common decency to make a refund which is obtaining money under misspresentaion which is a criminal offence and action should have been taken against them.
From: **** <hotmail.com>
Sent: 09 November 2023 19:21
To: parkingservicesteam@kingston.gov.uk <parkingservicesteam@kingston.gov.uk>;  foi@kingston.gov.uk <foi@kingston.gov.uk>
Cc:
Subject: Fw: Failure to respond on my 16 Sept 2023 Complaint and FOI request where the later has been acknowledged but still outstanding

REMINDER
Dear Sarah Ireland

Your Council is not fit for purpose  and a total disgrace with  your  inaction  to my 16 Sept 2023  e mail below  so now  add this Council zero  response to the list of complaints  where you need to be taken to task. I have included all Councillor's so they are fully aware of  the Councils inability to perform so copy them in with your reply.

1). FOI as outlined in in my 16 Sept 2023 e mail  still not forthcoming  where it was stated on 20 Oct 2023 it would be available by 27 October 2023
2). Provide answers to Kingston Councils staff incompetence, harassment and deception by extorting public money under false presences . The full outcome with clear  explanation of your  Council's investigation is required and what disciplinary action is being taken by these councils  perpetrators.
3).  Please add to my FOI list how many  non compliant PCN you have issued since 16 September 2023 during this Council inaction period to date and what corrective action you will be taking  with these extorted  illegal proceeds.

Regards 
From: P
Sent: 16 September 2023 11:24
To: cmt@kingston.gov.uk <cmt@kingston.gov.uk>
Subject: PCN reference ***** date of notice 15/06/ 2023 Complaint

Dear Kingston Council



PCN reference ****** date of notice 15/06/ 2023 Complaint SE07XKX



Can a single one of you Councillors, identify the "Authorised " person who on 7 July 2028 signed off in reply to my initial Challenge with a lengthy generic rejection letter clearly demonstrating they had not read the challenge content resulting it unnecessarily being taken to the next Enforcement Notice stage wasting my time and ratepayers' money. I then receive this Enforcement Notice dated 14 August 2028 and replied on the same day with a single line simple challenge telling them to actually read my initial representation which included the attached photograph clearly showing there was NO WARNING or RESTRICTION on turning left from Union St into Eden St. 



Accordingly, please investigate this matter and submit clear substantiation of what further evidence this same author established that had not already been provided to now waive the PCN as stated on the Council 11 September 2023 response. I, along with many others are intrigued as to what changed that authors mind and if there are no valid grounds, this author needs to be taken to task and removed from this post and downgraded to something requiring limited skills for the benefit of all ratepayers funding your Council.



Moreover,  I do not believe this to be an isolated case which demonstrates that your staff are unskilled, not fit for purpose sending out generic rejections not reading the challenge or incapable of comprehending that your Eden St Bus lane PCN is non-compliant .  Had that authorised member of staff bothered to read my initial representation months back which basically informed your Council they were issuing non-valid PCN.



On the other side of the coin, if Kingston Council is knowingly issuing PCN that are non-compliant this is considered an abuse of power, fraud and blatant entrapment purely for financial gain by extorting money from the public knowing the vast majority simply pay the reduced PCN amount to move on. Those that Challenge the PCN and get that Councils Generic response is considered further harassment and this practice must cease.



I trust I will receive a proactive response to these issues raised to avoid escalating this to a higher authority.



Accordingly, under the Freedom of Information act, please advise re the attached Google Earth map clearly showing there is NO sign on Union St informing drivers they are not permitted to turn left and enter Eden Street bus lane.

a).. The date the Council

i). Became aware there was no sign in place not to turn left.

ii). Were made aware themselves or by third parties there was no sign not to turn left

iii). Installed the conforming sign not to turn left as it was a bus lane.



Please Quantify for each of the 3 periods in a). above the following. 

b). how many members of public challenged the Eden st Bus lane PCN during this period and

Quantity of PCN  issued
Quantity that were challenged
Quantity rejected
Quantity that were sent enforcement Notices
Quantity that were further challenged and subsequently waived like mine
Quantity that were rejected and went to Tribunal.
Quantity won at Tribunal


Once these figures are established, please clearly explain the means of reimbursement for all those who paid any non-compliant PCNs.



On a more serious issue, as I suspect from my case this is not isolated and Kingston Council intentionally reject all initial challenges to a PCN. Accordingly, under the FOI, please also submit the following.




c). Total quantity of "ALL" PCN's Issued by Kingston Council over the last year to this date.

 

Quantity of PCN  issued
Quantity  that were challenged
Quantity rejected
Quantity that were sent enforcement  Notices
Quantity  that were  further challenged and subsequently waived like mine
Quantity that were  rejected and went to Tribunal.
Quantity won at Tribunal
Regards

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Sadly I paid the £35 which  may have been  a mistake as maybe misunderstood the process as I have no real defence for going into the bus lane as its clearly signed. 

On Pepepoo I won at Tribunal a bus lane PCN on Wellington Road at the Sainsburys approach as  I copied somebodies temolate who had  won based on a lot of research he did  on camera distances and positioning from the traffic light so it was clear cut. I can no longer access Peepepoo site to check and cant find anything on this site for a similar case so its a Gamble.

if I go through the tribunal appeal process I pay £25+ Vat and am £5 up if I win

If I loose the Tribunal appeal TPT states "The PCN will need to be paid in full if your appeal to us is unsuccessful." so assume that's £70 and out of pocket by £35



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page 1 and 5

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Re earlier post in case their wording is flawed on the Slough Notice of rejection 

Here are  all 6 pages based on my challenge one liner "The alleged bus lane contravention did not occur."  where item 2 cont and item 5 will be sent separately as not sure if I can post all 3 and dont understand that URL method.

Where is the link to delete attachments and edit posts?

Cheers P

Review ADD on to post
have just sent it but only I  attachment shows (191KB) but states 2 attachments send ????? at the bottom and this post and has a review option which I have just hit and the attachments are gone. Just added attachment 1 191KB and 2 141KB  again [ Guests cannot view attachments ]

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Just received the Slough Notice of Rejection of representation and appears I can only sent 1 attachment so here is the info provided
Notice of rejection date   13/11/2024
PCN Number                 SB41783836
Vehicle Registration Mark  SE07XKX
PIN Code                   87K424
Car


Logged onto the TPT site  as a test case to familiar my self with the process and selected "The alleged bus lane contravention did not occur." and got as far as the second attachment and need guidance on the input. 

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Remembered and Done 
 
Appeal complete
Thank you for submitting an appeal. A member of the parking team will review your appeal and contact you with the outcome shortly
An email containing a summary of your appeal has been sent to the address you provided
Thank you for this information. We will look at the details you have given us and will contact you shortly

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just looked at Slough form  to use NONE OF THE ABOVE and use the last Option "Any Other Reason" and insert "The Cointervention did not exist"


 
 " Being in a bus lane

We will consider your challenge / representation according to our parking policy. If your reason for appeal is not listed in the policy, we are unlikely to accept it. However we will still consider your case individually.


Bus lane reasons
These are the common reasons relating to bus lanes which we receive queries for

Select a reason:
 I am a Blue Badge holder and I was looking for disabled parking 
 I did not realise I was in a bus lane 
 I entered the bus lane to avoid congestion 
 I stopped in the bus lane due to my medical condition 
 I was avoiding an accident 
 I was following a diversion / was directed into the bus lane 
 I was following my sat-nav / I was lost / I'm not from the area 
 I was in the bus lane, but it wasn't in operation at the time 
 I was in the bus lane, but not for a substantial distance 
 I was making way for an emergency vehicle 
 I was picking up / dropping off a passenger 
 I was taking advice from others 
 I was unaware of the rules 
 I was unaware that couriers were not permitted in the bus lane 
 I was unfamiliar with the term "Bus Gate" 
 My vehicle is a taxi 
 My vehicle type is permitted to drive in bus lanes 
 There was a road closure so the bus lane was not in operation 
 There was nowhere to turn around and avoid the bus gate 
 There were no buses in the bus lane at the time 
Other reasons
Non bus lane specific reasons that will appear in Bus Lane context

Select a reason:
 A friend / family member recently passed away 
 I didn't see / understand the signage 
 I have already paid the PCN 
 I was not at the location on the day 
 I was not the driver 
 I was not the owner / keeper of the vehicle 
 I was unaware that a PCN had been issued as I've been away 
 My vehicle had broken down 
 My vehicle was cloned 
 My vehicle was stolen 
 The owner of the vehicle has passed away 
 The vehicle was on hire to someone else 
None of the above
If none of the above reasons apply, and you wish to challenge your PCN, please select below:

Select a reason:
 Any other reasonn  ANY OTHER REASON
 "

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]The make and model of the bus lane enforcement camera on Wellington Street as shown in your Google maps link is:

Make - TES Small Blue Enforcement CCTV Camera

Model - Blue Gen2

Thanks for that and  does that mean the camera is non Compliant as a challenge if it gets to the tribunal stage?

Can you please clarify the day I have to make representation.

Date of Notice sent  10/10/2024 which was a Thursday+2 working days =14 Oct +28days = 11 Nov deadline.

Any reason not to do it now with " The contravention did not exist" before I forget.

Thanks Sledge

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Hi I just came across this and need to measure back and assume this 20m starts as soon as the passenger wheel crosses the outer bus lane line .


 "Given that the most common complaint among drivers is that they moved to the left slightly too early in order to turn left, the most significant ground for appealing a bus lane fine is that drivers are permitted 20 metres of grace – approximately five car lengths. So if the supplied photographic and (in some cases) video evidence does not show the car travelling more than 20 metres in the bus lane, there are good grounds for an adjudicator to throw out the PCN."

Anybody used this and won.

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Not familiar with this site.

Has anybody got a challenge template similar to this PCN wording /signage etc which I can use to edit and submit and what day do I need to submit it
Cheers Paul

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Just received a Slough Wellington St bus Lane PCN. The PCN video link shows me entering  the bus lane just before  the  bus lane ends where the road marking arrow points left.  Need to get both sides of the original PCN to screen shoot it to reduce its size then post it here as the one I had forwarded to me is too large to post here. 


I am the registered Keeper but the log book address given is about 8 miles away as spend a lot of time overseas and have got back to the UK for a few  nasty surprises like PCNs   

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