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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Westminster - 53c - Lower Belgrave Street - Multiple PCNs (5)
« on: June 30, 2024, 05:26:44 pm »
I paid. Hopefully they'll put my money to good use.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Westminster - 53c - Lower Belgrave Street - Multiple PCNs (5)
« on: June 29, 2024, 02:26:26 pm »
I have just received the response from the council.
The council used their discretion to cancel 4 out of the 5 PCNs keeping only the first contravention.
This is what I had asked for in my representations.
They're giving me 14 days to pay the reduced rate for the one PCN that they upheld.

It's a good outcome where reason has prevailed.

Thanks

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Islington - Contravention code 11G - Motorcycle parking bay Myddelton Square [zone A]
« on: June 29, 2024, 02:14:31 pm »
Hi,
yes I read it. I've actually used it once before successfully.
However this time, I decided to pay the £40 and move on with my life.

Thanks

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Islington - Contravention code 11G - Motorcycle parking bay Myddelton Square [zone A]
« on: June 24, 2024, 08:38:11 pm »
"Did you just park and not look for signs at all?"

In a nutshell, it's always been free to park in motorcycle bays so indeed I didn't really look for signs.
It seems like Islington council changed it last year. Now I know.

I'll go for the strategy of last resort or I'll pay and move.

Thanks

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Islington - Contravention code 11G - Motorcycle parking bay Myddelton Square [zone A]
« on: June 22, 2024, 10:33:07 pm »
This is the location:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rETy557nZme1Mawo8

The latest view is from July 2022. But there was no sign at the time.
I knew Westminster was the only council to charge for motorcycle parking.
It appears Islington started doing the same at some point in the last 2 years.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Islington - Contravention code 11G - Motorcycle parking bay Myddelton Square [zone A]
« on: June 22, 2024, 06:36:28 pm »
Hi,

I parked my scooter on a motorcycle parking bay in Islington at noon today (Saturday).
And I was delighted to find a PCN on my scooter upon my return 3 hours later.
I thought only Westminster charged motorcycles for parking so I overlooked the sign.
Clearly I was wrong... Payment is required until 1.30pm on Saturdays. The PCN was issued at 12:17pm.

Is there any chance I can get out of this one?

Links to the PCN front and back and to a picture of the parking sign below.

Can I claim that the sign was partially obstructed by the sticker on the bottom left corner?
All I can read is "ting location" and that does not mean anything.
Or should I just pay and move on?

Thanks


PCN Front:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/12x9lK8wRqrznbkKqzMCTjkwIsykU6iWR/view?usp=sharing

PCN Back:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/18ASM4tU8VmCFn6oeXpoNduuxQTrdg-wS/view?usp=sharing

Parking Sign:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16G6xFV4IZ8zCl-KD7nvwO4IJPiXZNekq/view?usp=sharing



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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Westminster - 53c - Lower Belgrave Street - Multiple PCNs (5)
« on: May 28, 2024, 10:31:09 pm »
I uploaded my representation online for my 5 PCNs.
(I took out point 4 and added short URLs with a counter as per strategy 2.)

Will post the outcome when I hear from the council.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Westminster - 53c - Lower Belgrave Street - Multiple PCNs (5)
« on: May 27, 2024, 06:12:43 pm »
This is the link to my draft representation. I appreciate any comments and suggestions.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lT-AtN-VRXoHbgfVgOyMJ_HTEGWeEcgK/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=108295571129680083579&rtpof=true&sd=true


Thanks for your help.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Westminster - 53c - Lower Belgrave Street - Multiple PCNs (5)
« on: May 27, 2024, 04:57:10 pm »
Thank you for pointing this out @cp8759.
I was actually about to make representation online now.

Also, on the PCN it keeps mentioning "14 days" or "28 days" which I understood as calendar days.
But when I look at my first PCN (WE5072962A, date of notice 13th May) on Westminster's website it shows:

"The amount outstanding on the Penalty Charge Notice will increase to £130.00 on Tue, 4 Jun 2024. Please pay £65.00 now."

So it seems like "14 days" or "28 days" are actually business days.
The absence of "calendar"/"business" specification is quite confusing. Could that be ground for appeal?

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Westminster - 53c - Lower Belgrave Street - Multiple PCNs (5)
« on: May 22, 2024, 08:21:04 am »
Thanks, I will put forward argument B and cross my fingers/prepare my cheque book.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Westminster - 53c - Lower Belgrave Street - Multiple PCNs (5)
« on: May 21, 2024, 07:12:29 pm »
I know it sounds far-fetched. There is indeed nothing obstructing the sign.
I even had a hard time believing I didn't see that sign as well, multiple times...

I think what happened is that when I approached the give way, the large bicycles signs on the road surface attracted my attention (it makes sense because it is what they are there for). So I was looking down and not ahead. And upon crossing the junction, conscious that I should expect cyclists, we can clearly see in the videos that I turned my head right and left to watch out for any cyclists. And by the time I look straight ahead again I am indeed right in front of the pedestrian and cycle lane sign, which is now too high for me to see, especially wearing a helmet.


The videos are on the council's PCN website with the pictures.
https://appeals.westminster.gov.uk/pcnonline/

I also saved them here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11EBEODeY9bJwMuJYLp51pMqrFqlvL81P/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1K-mBHK-DyQA4l5vs8VNdxYWeJHGPNF3C/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1fv4gFdRw8sh-rvOFWSu2knPTGSlgtFLq/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1T2mKoACyWGWuiyb83Aq1CMK_4p-G3Kbc/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qeB2pe5TnY3pGugMPGWP_CqA3vYmC4a6/view?usp=drive_link


Thanks

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Westminster - 53c - Lower Belgrave Street - Multiple PCNs (5)
« on: May 21, 2024, 04:58:46 pm »
That's a shame.

What would you say is my best shot at cancelling all but the first PCN?

Could you comment on these 2 arguments to appeal the PCNs?

A] Signage is inadequate because there is only 1 sign to indicate the pedestrian and cycle zone. Whereas we can see they put 3 signs indicating a contraflow cycle lane.
In addition there is no sign indicating camera enforcement. Although not a legal requirement I understand it is considered best practice to use such signs.

B] Lack of timely notification. Had I been made aware of the first contravention in a timely manner, I would have taken immediate steps to avoid repeating the offense. The delay (13 days) in issuing and delivering the initial PCN deprived me of the opportunity to rectify my actions and avoid further contraventions.

Thanks

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Re: Westminster - 53c - Lower Belgrave Street - Multiple PCNs (5)
« on: May 21, 2024, 01:54:02 pm »
Access should be fine now.
I'll have a look at the link you sent.

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Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) / Westminster - 53c - Lower Belgrave Street - Multiple PCNs (5)
« on: May 21, 2024, 01:48:00 pm »
Hi,

I went through a pedestrian and cycle zone (in operation between 8.30 and 9.30am) while ridding my scooter/moped on my way to work.
This was not my usual commute route. My normal route is currently blocked because of road work so I had to find an alternative route.
Unfortunately I repeatedly didn't see the sign.
I basically kept taking that road until I received the first PCN at which point I realized my mistake and I stopped taking that road.
The first contravention was on 1st May and I only received the PCN on 14th May (evening) (notice issued on 13th May).
So I kept using the road between 1st May and 14th May (morning) and have received so far 5 PCNs.

How can I get all but the first PCN cancelled?

PCN details:

PCN Number   Contravention   Time      Notice Date   Receipt Date   Number of days between contravention and receipt of PCN
WE5072962A   01/05/24   09:20 AM   13/05/24   14/05/24   13
WE50729798   02/05/24   09:26 AM   13/05/24   14/05/24   12
WE5073055A   08/05/24   08:49 AM   14/05/24   16/05/24   8
WE5074094A   13/05/24   09:16 AM   17/05/24   21/05/24   8
WE50741137   14/05/24   09:17 AM   17/05/24   21/05/24   7


You can see the first PCN (front and back) here (the other ones are the same):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XVI_RoLiL2LC_IjnWbqyKCRsuVjk3645/view?usp=drive_link
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XWvgUAi6UiaSnjADx-UJXuaohl1qmbm1/view?usp=drive_link


Google maps - Street view:
https://maps.app.goo.gl/MWJktEng6sw99cAU8


Thanks

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