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please post all sides of the PCN (redact pnly yr name & address - leave all else in) do it can be checked for errors.

All the four pages are there: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1esbVY50FPKqAwUEH6l1AtooUj9jPCwId

Do you know where the advance warning sign to which their rejection refers is situated?

No other signs are there. Where the photographer is standing is a private car park only, no road.

Have you the video? It's not clear from their grainy photograph if their sign is illuminated?

Video is there, but the sign isn't visible: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qaRlWoSq9KQ0YhdXnMcuZgBdSdTVfAH_

Sign is illuminated.

What I was trying to point to is the requirement that the sign be placed "as close as possible to the point where the restriction starts." – that being the point, passing which the restriction comes into force. Whereas here, the driver even does not pass the sign before getting on the crossing and turning - the sign has been placed on the side of another road, in a rather unexpected place for a driver who's arriving at a crossing and looking left and right to turn safely.

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This is somehow weird.

My partner followed her memory and didn't spot a no-turn traffic sign in the dark. I mean, she followed her memory, because left turn was allowed there for a long time until Wickes was sold to Lidl a few years ago. Here is the layout in 2021:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/p6rMxxijT19Vzimj6

Today, however, vehicles leaving the Lidl car park aren't supposed to turn left into Gordon Road:



It may be because Gordon Road is blocked for vehicular traffic further down, next to house no. 29; although it remains a two-way road up to there.

But look at the placement of the no-left-turn sign! It's in front, behind the crossing, not even on the road that it applies to. The way I'm reading the traffic signs regulations and the common sense, the sign should be placed before the crossing, right where the prohibition starts, like here:



Is a road marking alone enforceable, especially when much smaller than the statutory dimensions and without an accompanying traffic sign? Never mind that it's situated on private land.

I appealed based on the above:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1mnPiUNlPHiKIqRdd_D1NFQJYCIin35P7

...and today we received a rejection notice:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ONdV_Pj8Wc4SNJD3cJx1q-A0XavahMz1

Does it make sense to appeal to the adjudicator?

Grateful for any advice.

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Update on the case.

I apologise to everyone, and esp. @Hippocrates, for the lengthy silence - it was a rough year for me.

The case went to adjudicators with the following response of mine:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1gzU26IuEO3NSbFyx_ruBqZf4tjBfoaw5

Attached were photos from the original appeal:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Am4lB4L7nfWGOM9E0FRP4dGMdtEVNJAQ

The local authority has submitted their version - case summary along with copies of all the past correspondence, photos and system logs. Selected pages:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1hH6C7pXUUUy-Rw1qskG_pLoL2Kf2j6EY

The adjudicator ruled in my favour:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1koPKojttodEQXo0ZN5hPSg-eSEBULd-E

Thank you everyone for your advice.

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Hello,

First time here :)

A street in Kingston was to be used for filming over two days, and our council blocked "13 pay-and-display parking spaces alongside the railway" for the filming crew. Notices were put up along the road two weeks in advance (see photo no. 1), and indeed the street was nearly empty on the day, even as the film crew failed do turn up.

Now, even as the council has legislated "13 parking spaces", the road markings there don't show any spaces. Not a single one. If anything, there are three veeeery long parking bays, each able to accommodate 6-10 vehicles. See photos no. 2 and 3.

Location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/uvBa7oSdjwLMf2nA9

One can wonder how does the council expect the 13 imaginary spaces to be counted (and from which end of the road).

Now, I received a PCN for "parking in a suspended bay or space".

I've appealed, explaining that there're no delineated parking spaces in that location, and so it's impossible to count thirteen of them even with best intentions, however my appeal was rejected (photo no. 4). As is the local tradition, council's letter included a fair amount of canned responses to questions that weren't asked.

Now, I wonder whether the council has a right to pursue a driver for breaching an order that used wording so vague as to be next to impossible to understand. Also, does "parking space" have to be designated, or "13 parking spaces" can be simply an estimate amount of space taken by 13 average vehicles? What's the law here? What should I do?

Thanks,
Thor

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