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I had a hunch the parking bay where I parked my car was much smaller than the rest. So I returned to the same parking spot I got the PCN at and placed my car in the same spot I initially parked and then in the spot in front to it (where the original mini van was located that partially blocked my bay)…looks like my bay was substantially smaller than the one next to it. Could this help me in my formal representation and then further on at the Tribunal (if they choose not to drop it)? See pics below:

Quote from: stamfordman on 27 Nov, 2025 11:28Your rear wheels are on a yellow line so that should have attracted a higher rate penalty. The issue is simple: if you can't fit in the bay you must find somewhere else to park. That said we can look at the traffic order to see if there's anything about parking in marked bays. Just asking again for discretion could succeed but unlikely as these days authorities are taking a harder line.Ok so what’s your conclusion please? What do you mean by “we can look at the traffic order to see if there's anything about parking in marked bays.”? What does it say do you know?

Quote from: Hippocrates on 27 Nov, 2025 12:19Edited sorry.? Do you have something useful to add? Im not seeing your reply

Quote from: H C Andersen on 27 Nov, 2025 16:19Post their reply as is, pl do not transpose, you'll miss something(as in this case) and get tired wrists.See below their reply.

Quote from: stamfordman on 26 Nov, 2025 16:08You've hidden the details - what is the location? Are those the council's pics in your first post?Have you got an NTO? What are the dates? But it looks to me like you are asking them to use discretion and they don't want to.Hi. Just posted the PCN in my previous post will details. I have not got an NTO yet. Only the rejection letter of my argument (see in a previous post) based on my online appeal submission. The first pic (the one that shows big gap between my car and the white car) was taken by the enforcement officer. The other 2 were taken by me when I first parked in case as a precaution method to show that my bay was partially blocked by a minivan! So the question is do I pay the reduced £55 now OR I don’t pay, wait for the NTO then do a formal representation? Do I have any case here?

Quote from: H C Andersen on 26 Nov, 2025 18:28+1.Where's the PCN;Where's the NTO.Post and leave in everything except personal details. Do not obscure VRM, location, PCN number etc.Sorry forgot post it. Please see below the PCN. I did not receive an NTO yet. I am the stage where I appealed online the PCN in August and received a reply back in Nov saying they reject my argument. Now I need to either pay reduced rate of £55 or if not they will send NTO which will make me liable for double that! So my question to you and everyone on this forum is: is it worth fighting this (do I have a chance for them to change their mind after I do a representation following them sending the NTO…..do I have a chance to win at the tribunal if they reject my representation). Or do I just pay the £55 which is the reduced rate.

Any thoughts from anyone?

See below the letter I plan on sending to the council as part of my formal representation…now that assuming you guys think I have a chance or not…all below created with the help of ChatGPT in the space of 15 seconds…remarkable stuff…anyway appreciate your thoughts on this:To:The Royal Borough of Kensington and ChelseaParking ServicesRe: Formal RepresentationPenalty Charge Notice (PCN): XXXXVehicle Registration: XXXXDate of PCN: XXXXLocation: XXXXDear Sir or Madam,I am writing to submit a formal representation against the above PCN on the grounds that the contravention did not occur. The Civil Enforcement Officer’s photographs do not reflect the circumstances that existed at the time I parked, and I have attached contemporaneous photographic evidence which clearly demonstrates this.⸻1. An obstructing vehicle made it impossible to park within the bay markingsWhen I arrived and parked my vehicle, the bay directly in front of me was occupied by a large minivan. This vehicle’s rear overhang projected substantially beyond the front of its own bay, encroaching deeply into my bay.This overhang can be clearly seen in the photographs I took at the moment I parked, attached as:   •   Photo 1 – Minivan rear extending into my bay   •   Photo 2 – My vehicle positioned as far forward as safely possible   •   Photo 3 – Bay markings showing the obstructionThe minivan’s protrusion left me no physical possibility of parking wholly within my bay markings without making contact with the vehicle in front. I therefore positioned my car as correctly as was reasonably possible under the circumstances.⸻2. The CEO did not see the obstructing vehicle (it departed before their arrival)By the time the Civil Enforcement Officer attended, the minivan had left the scene, and a smaller vehicle had subsequently parked in its place. This gives the misleading impression in the Council’s photographs that ample space was available in front of my vehicle at all times.However, as my photographs show, this was not the case at the time I parked. The CEO’s images therefore do not reflect the true circumstances leading to my position.⸻3. I took photographs precisely because I recognised the unusual situationI was fully aware that I could not park entirely within the markings due to the obstruction, so I took photographs immediately to document the cause. This demonstrates that I acted:   •   responsibly   •   in good faith, and   •   with full intention to comply with the parking regulationsThe minor misalignment arose solely due to a situation entirely outside my control.⸻4. I had paid for parking and intended to comply with all requirementsI had already paid for parking that day and had no intention of parking improperly. I expected to realign my vehicle once the obstructing minivan moved, but unfortunately it departed before I could return. The PCN was therefore issued based on a situation that did not reflect the circumstances at the time I parked.⸻5. Grounds for cancellationI respectfully submit that the PCN should be cancelled because:   •   The contravention did not occur, as I was prevented from parking within the bay by another vehicle’s unlawful encroachment.   •   I have provided clear, contemporaneous photographic evidence showing the obstruction.   •   The CEO’s photographs do not capture the situation as it existed when I parked.   •   I made every reasonable effort to comply and acted entirely in good faith.⸻ConclusionI therefore ask the Council to review my evidence carefully and to cancel this PCN in light of the full and accurate circumstances.Thank you for your consideration. I look forward to your confirmation that the notice has been cancelled.Yours faithfully,[Your Name][Your Address][Your Contact Details]

Parking contravention:Not parked correctly within the markings of the bay or space.Your challenge:“I would like to challenge this PCN because the pictures the parking officer took do notreflect the full picture of what happened. When I parked in that spot (way before theofficer issued the PCN), there was a minivan that parked in front of my car already thathad gone over the line leaving me unable to keep my own car within the lines”Why the PCN was correctly issued:The PCN was issued to the vehicle as it was not parked correctly within the markings ofthe bay or space.My decision:Motorists are reminded that vehicles must be parked wholly within the designated baymarkings. If a vehicle is too large to fit entirely within the marked bay, it should not beparked in that location. Parking outside the bay markings may obstruct traffic flow andcontravene the relevant parking regulations.Given all the evidence, combined with my own investigation; I see no grounds for thisPCN to be cancelled.We acknowledge your explanation regarding your challenge.Please be advised that now we have responded to you and have outlined the availableoptions below, no further challenges will be considered in relation to this matter.What happens next:We are still willing to accept payment at the reduced rate of £55 if received within 14days from the date of the service of this letter.If payment is not received by the above date a Notice to Owner will be sent to theregistered keeper of the vehicle and the charge will revert to the full cost of £110. TheNotice to Owner will allow the registered keeper to make formal representation againstthe issue of the PCN. Should the representation be rejected, the registered keeper willthen be sent an appeal form which will give them the opportunity to appeal against ourdecision to the London Tribunals.If the Adjudicator allows your appeal we will then cancel the notice. If the Adjudicatorrefuses your appeal you will need to pay the Council the full rate within 28 days of thedecision.If you are not the registered keeper of the vehicle, e.g. the vehicle is a company orlease/hire vehicle, or it is being used with the owner`s consent, I suggest you advise theregistered keeper that a Notice to Owner will be issued.You can pay for your PCN in person, by post, telephone or online.

Ok so long story short. I paid for parking (in London South Kensington and Chelsea) but wasn’t parked correctly within the bay because the car (minivan) in front of me had its back in my bay which led to me being outside the line. By the time the parking officer came, the car that was originally there when I paid for parking was gone and another smaller car took its place which made me look bad. I made an online appeal and they rejected it after 4 months!!!! I have the pics I took when I parked that clearly showed my bay was partially blocked. And then I also have the council PCN pic. See all the pics below. What do I do? I feel like the pics can speak for the facts! Any point in doing a formal appeal / contest it further at the tribunal? Or shall I just pay? I feel like because I have the “before and after” pics I might have a case, just don’t know whether I should just pay the £55 now! Please let me know your thoughts!

Actually just found in the post a charge notice but for some reason when I log online I can still make a representation. Am I wasting my time here? As in once the charge notice has been issued it’s game over?

Nope only this so far. What reasons can I provide for an appeal if any?

Paid parking but was issued PCN for “not parked correctly within the markings of the bay”. After paying extortionate parking fees in Central London (South Kensington & Chelsea - Hereford Square) was nevertheless issued this PCN. My wife could have parked better agree…my initial informal appeal was rejected…how can I successfully appeal this in a formal representation? It’s now gone to £120. What reasons can I give? See pics below [ Guests cannot view attachments ]

What could be some valid reasons to challenge such a PCN? Typically?

Paid parking but was issued PCN for “not parked correctly within the markings of the bay”. After paying extortionate parking fees in Central London (South Kensington & Chelsea - Hereford Square) was nevertheless issued this PCN. My wife could have parked better agree…my initial informal appeal was rejected…how can I successfully appeal this in a formal representation ? What reasons can I give? See pics below [ Guests cannot view attachments ]