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Private parking tickets / Re: EuroCarParks, Sainsburys, overstay
« on: December 16, 2025, 12:57:34 pm »
As expected, they have rejected my appeal. We now move on to POPLA.

Would you please review my POPLA appeal below ? many thanks.

I am the registered keeper of vehicle xxxxxxx and I dispute the above-referenced Parking Charge. The NtK is not compliant with all the requirements of PoFA which means that they cannot transfer liability for the charge to the keeper. I therefore dispute the charge on the following grounds :
1.   Non-Compliance with the Protection of Freedoms Act (POFA)
2.   Inadequate signage
3.   No evidence of parking
4.   No evidence of landholder authority

Non-Compliance with POFA

Schedule 4 paragraph 9(2) is binary (“MUST” means all or nothing) and this NtK omits the mandatory invitation to the keeper to pay under 9(2)(e)(i)

Schedule 4 paragraph 9(2) does not say the notice should include certain things. It says: “The notice must — (a)… (b)… (c)… (d)… (e)… (f)… (g)… (h)… (i)…”. “Must” is compulsory. PoFA 9(2) is a statutory gateway to keeper liability: either every required element is present or the gateway never opens. There is no such thing as “partial” or even “substantial compliance” with 9(2). Like pregnancy, it is binary: a notice is either PoFA-compliant or it is not. If one required limb is missing, the operator cannot use PoFA to pursue the keeper. End of.

Here the missing limb is 9(2)(e)(i). That sub-paragraph requires the NtK to invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges. The law is explicit that the invitation must be directed to “the keeper”. It is not enough to tell “the driver” to pay; it must invite “the keeper” to pay if the creditor wants keeper liability.

What this NtK actually does is talk only to “the driver” when demanding payment, and nowhere invites “the keeper” to pay. The demand section of the NtK is framed in driver terms (e.g. language such as “the driver is required to pay within 28 days” / “payment is due from the driver”), and there is no sentence that invites “the keeper” to pay the unpaid parking charges. The word “keeper” (if used at all) appears only in neutral data/disclosure paragraphs or generic definitions, not in any invitation to pay. That omission is precisely what 9(2)(e)(i) forbids.

For the avoidance of doubt, 9(2)(e) contains two limbs: (i) an invitation to the keeper to pay, and (ii) an invitation to either identify and serve the driver and to pass the notice to the driver. Even setting aside 9(2)(e)(ii), the absence of the 9(2)(e)(i) keeper-payment invitation alone is fatal to PoFA compliance. The statute makes keeper liability contingent on strict satisfaction of every “must” in 9(2). Where a notice invites only “the driver” to pay, it fails 9(2)(e)(i), so it is not a PoFA notice. The operator therefore cannot transfer liability from an unidentified driver to the registered keeper. Only the driver could ever be liable; the driver is not identified. The keeper is not liable in law.

Inadequate Signage

I refer to Section 3 (signs and surface markings) of the Private Parking Sector Single Code of Practice Version 1.1 dated 17 February 2025 – the “COP”

The commentary states “Signs and surface markings must be designed, applied and maintained in such a way as to be visible, legible and unambiguous to drivers.”

Section 3.1.2 states “The size and positioning of the sign must take into account the expected speed and direction of travel of vehicles approaching the entrance and must be visible (i.e. not be obscured e.g. by foliage or other objects).”

Section 3.1.3 states “Signs within controlled land displaying the specific terms and conditions applying must:
a) be placed within the controlled land, such that drivers have the chance to
read them at the time of parking or leaving their vehicle;”

Section 3.2 states “Where different terms and conditions apply to adjoining stretches of controlled land where there is no physical segregation, signs and/or surface markings must be used by the parking operator within the controlled land for which they are responsible to delineate clearly between these premises and alert drivers to the terms and conditions applying.”

Section 3.4 in the note acknowledges “[…] the need to avoid confusion and clutter at entrances […]”

The signage at this location fails on all the above criteria.

There is a single entrance sign. It is not the sign included in the operator’s response to appeal – that is located elsewhere. According to the COP (Table A.2) this sign contains ‘group 1 text’ . The COP states that for “Car park entered from higher-speed road or using a length of access road”  the typical approach speed will be 25mph and the Group 1 text should be a minimum of 90mm. This car park is approached from just such a road and as can be seen from photograph 10, the Group 1 text is 45mm – half the required size.

The entrance to the land is shown in photograph 4 in context of the driver’s view. This is the view from 30 metres. It is obvious that a driver travelling at 20+ mph along this road, with the afternoon Winter sun directly ahead, will be looking at the jutting corner of the building, not at an obscure sign on the wall which is the wrong size, contrary to sections 3.1.2 and 3.1.3 of the COP.

This view is further made problematic by being mixed in with other signs. The Smart Charge company sign is much bigger and this company even felt the need to put a sign up on the opposite side of the road. In addition, there is much clutter of no parking signs around the area (see photographs 1-3) contrary to sections 3.2 and 3.4 of the COP. Its is ironic that the clutter of other signage has been created by the same parking operator.

There is no obligation to visit Sainsburys. Photographs 5-9 show the route this vehicle took to arrive at a parking space showing that it is perfectly possible (as happened in this case) to park where this car was and leave the site without seeing a single sign.

Considering the signage in place at this particular site against the requirements of the COP and PoFA, it is beyond any doubt that the signage is not sufficient to give adequate notice of the charge and bring the parking charge to the attention of the motorist.

No evidence of parking

I have seen examples of these ‘Notice to Keeper’ letters shown to me by friends. It seems to be common practice to include photos of the vehicle entering and leaving the site, together with a time stamp. Whilst evidence of entering and leaving site is not evidence of parking, EuroCarParks have failed to include even this basic information in their notice.

I require full unredacted copies of photographs of the vehicle entering and leaving the site which conform to Section 7.3 of the COP. Without these, we only have ECP’s word that an infringement has potentially been committed.

No evidence of Landowner authority

The operator is also put to strict proof, by means of contemporaneous and unredacted evidence, of a chain of authority flowing from the landowner of the "relevant land" to the operator. It is not accepted that the operator has adhered to the landowner’s definitions, exemptions, grace period, hours of operation, etc. and any instructions to cancel charges due to complaints nor that both the landowner and operator are in full compliance with planning permission granted against a Traffic Management Plan.

Section 14 of the COP  defines the mandatory requirements and I put this operator to strict proof of full compliance. As this operator does not have proprietary interest in the “relevant land” then I require that they produce an unredacted copy of the contract with the landowner, to prove that they have the right to enforce the charge in court in their own name

I therefore respectfully request that my appeal is upheld.

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Private parking tickets / Re: EuroCarParks, Sainsburys, overstay
« on: November 06, 2025, 06:28:35 pm »
Thanks b789, I suspected that would be your reply !

Let the motions begin..... dashing off the fruitless appeal to ECP. WIll keep you in the loop.


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Private parking tickets / EuroCarParks, Sainsburys, overstay
« on: November 05, 2025, 06:56:03 pm »
I am the keeper of the vehicle and I have just received a Notice to Keeper - copy attached.
The NtK arrived on day 14 and the alleged overstay was for 37 minutes.
This was a Sainsburys car park which used to be 120 mins free parking and was reduced to 90 minutes.
To be honest, the driver probably forgot that the time had reduced.


As It's ECP I presume I'm appealing to them fruitlessly that their NtK is non-compliant ?

"I am the keeper of the vehicle and I dispute your 'parking charge'. I deny any liability or contractual agreement and I will be making a complaint about your predatory conduct to your client landowner. As your Notice to Keeper (NtK) does not fully comply with ALL the requirements of PoFA 2012, you are unable to hold the keeper of the vehicle liable for the charge. Partial or even substantial compliance is not sufficient. There will be no admission as to who was driving and no inference or assumptions can be drawn. The registered keeper cannot be presumed or inferred to have been the driver, nor pursued under some twisted interpretation of the law of agency. Your NtK can only hold the driver liable. ECP have no hope at POPLA, so you are urged to save us both a complete waste of time and cancel the PCN."



NTK Page 1 https://ibb.co/Jj4MJfv9

NTK Page 2 https://ibb.co/XrF04NPZ

Thanks in advance guys .....

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Decision Successful
Assessor Name xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Assessor summary of operator case

The parking operator has issued a parking charge notice as the vehicle was not parked within a marked bay.
Assessor summary of your case

The appellant has raised the following points from their grounds of appeal:
• Driver Liability not established – the Notice to Driver is not compliant with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (POFA).
• Keeper Liability not established - The Notice to Keeper is not compliant with POFA.
• No breach of contract.
• Inadequate signage.
• No evidence of landholder authority.

After reviewing the parking operator’s evidence, the appellant reiterates their grounds of appeal and raises new grounds of appeal advising:
• The operator refers to pre estimate of loss/breach of consumer contracts 1999.
• The copy of the notice to driver does not match the notice to driver that was placed on the vehicle.
• The notice to driver attached to the vehicle had crucial information cut off.
• They were unable to provide the PCN number as this information was cut off.
• The operator has submitted inaccurate and misleading information on the notice to driver.
• The photos show that they were parked in what appeared to be a bay.

The appellant has provided a photo of the PCN that was attached to the windscreen, photos of the appellants vehicle parked on the day of the event and copy of the notice to keeper that the operator issued as evidence to support their appeal. The above evidence will be considered in making my decision.

Assessor supporting rational for decision

I am allowing this appeal, with my reasoning outlined below: When an appeal comes to POPLA the burden of proof begins with the operator to evidence that the PCN has been issued correctly. In this case the operator has issued the PCN to the appellant as the vehicle was not parked within a marked bay. The appellant has identified themselves as the registered keeper of the vehicle. PoFA paragraph 8 (2) (g) states: “inform the keeper of any discount offered for prompt payment and the arrangements for the resolution of disputes or complaints that are available;” Looking at the Notice to Keeper sent on 5 August 2024 it does not inform the keeper of the discount, it advises that the discounted amount no longer applies. Therefore, the Notice to Keeper does not comply with PoFA and I must allow the appeal. It is worth also mentioning that the original notice to driver that was attached to the windscreen of the vehicle has been cut off, and important information is missing, for example the full PCN number and the full vehicle registration. The copy of the original PCN provided by the operator in their evidence does not match the dates that are visible on the original notice o driver. The appellant has raised other grounds in their appeal, but as I am allowing the appeal, it is not necessary for me to address these.

Thanks for your help guys. Pouring a large one. I notice that the assessor went for POFA compliance on the NtK as a reason to uphold but the assessor did at least acknowledge the blatant incompetence leading to potential fraud that these intellectual pygmies attempted.

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Not a bluff - depending on the outcome.

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Verification Code xxxxxxxxxxxx

Dear POPLA.
On the 13/9 I received an email from you informing me that I was in a queue and to expect a decision in 2-4 weeks.

It has now been 8 weeks. Can I please have an estimate of when I might receive your decision ? I am anxious to get on with my pursuit of the parking company for criminal fraud but I really would like to have ALL the evidence with me when I speak to my solicitor...

Many thanks...

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I've submitted my response along the lines of B789/DWMB2's suggestions.

Now sitting back and waiting for their adjudication.

Thanks for all your help so far.

In the meantime, I am not letting this lie. This is a blatant attempt to mislead the adjudicator either deliberately or through laziness. I need to complain to the DVLA, the BPA and Sainsburys. Is there a contact email address for DVLA ? - clear breach of KADOE.

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SO ECP have come back with their 'evidence' pack regarding my POPLA appeal. Notwithstanding the mental gymnastics they are having to go to (they even quoted that they must fully comply with the POFA in order to hold the keeper liable, chortle chortle).

However, In my my response I want to call them out for the shysters they are (in the nicest way possible of course).  The key issue is that the original NtD was cut off and unreadable. In their evidence pack they have produed a made-up facsimile of the NtD which bears no resemblance to the original - it shows the whole document, there are words in different places, the word wrap is different on another paragraph. Basically it looks like a machine produced copy of what they THINK they put on the vehicle. I'm thinking of going through the differences line by line and asking that they are admonished for manufacturing 'evidence'

It's blatant.

What is the best way of bringing this to the POPLA reviewer's attention ?

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Thank as ever guys.

I'll make the necessary additions and send it off.


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Appeal rejected and I have a POPLA code.

Can I have some feedback please ......

POPLA Code xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Xxxxx  PCN No xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Appeal against Parking Charge

I am the registered keeper of vehicle xxxxx  and I dispute the above-referenced Parking Charge on the following grounds :
1.   Driver Liability not established – the Notice to Driver is not compliant with Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (POFA)
2.   Keeper Liability not established - The Notice to Keeper is not compliant with POFA
3.   No breach of contract

Notice to Driver not compliant

The piece of paper left on the vehicle purports to be a parking charge notice except that due to misalignment of the printing machine, all of the relevant information has been truncated at the front. An image of the piece of paper is attached at Appendix A.
Under Paragraph 7 of Schedule 4 of POFA, certain information MUST be present for a Notice to Driver to be valid and this information is missing from this piece of paper, namely but not limited to:
-the vehicle
-the relevant land
-the parking period
-the parking charge
-dates by which a ‘discount’ may be obtained

Nobody can reasonably deduce the missing information and this piece of paper therefore cannot be relied upon as a valid Notice to Driver under paragraph 7(1)(a) of Schedule 4 of POFA.

The operator therefore cannot reply on Paragraph 4(1) of Schedule 4 of POFA to transfer liability to the keeper because the second condition as referenced in paragraph 6(1) of POFA has not been met, namely that NO valid Notice to Driver has been issued in accordance with Paragraph 7.

In addition, the operator’s website does not provide an opportunity to appeal without a ‘PCN Number’ which I was unable to provide in this instance as it is not present and so the operator has failed to comply with section 23 of the BPA Code of Practice.

Notice to Keeper not compliant

Notwithstanding, that there is no keeper liability for the reasons stated above, the Notice to Keeper of itself is not complaint with POFA. Schedule 4, Paragraph 8(2)(e)(i) of PoFA 2012 MANDATES that for a parking operator to hold the vehicle's registered keeper liable for a parking charge, the Notice to Keeper must include an "Invitation to Pay": The notice must explicitly invite the keeper to pay the unpaid parking charges.

The law mandates full and exact compliance with the specified wording and content outlined in PoFA 2012. The wording must clearly convey this invitation and mere implication or indirect suggestions are insufficient. The act requires strict compliance, meaning that any failure to fully incorporate this invitation renders the notice non-compliant with the requirements of PoFA.

Partial or Substantial Compliance is Insufficient: Even if the notice largely complies with other requirements, the absence of a clear invitation to the keeper to pay is a significant flaw. The operator cannot rely on partial or even substantial compliance — every element as specified in the legislation must be present and correct.


No breach of contract

The operator agrees as a condition of association with the BPA to abide by the BPA Code of Practice.

The photographs supplied by the operator show the vehicle parked at the end of a row pf parking bays in what appears to be a parking bay. There are no yellow lines, no hatch marks, no signs indicating this is not a parking bay. There is not even a white line to the right of the bay.

As such, the operator has not complied with the BPA Code of Practice paragraph 19.11 in that surface markings have not been applied in such a way as to indicate this was not a parking bay.

I therefore respectfully request that my appeal is upheld.

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SO no real appeal or complaint response, just the boilerplate I described above, and no POPLA code either.

Instead I have just received an NtK which I assume I appeal on Day 26 as keeper.....




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The stupidity of these people...... came straight back with the same response.

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So I submitted the appeal as keeper as described above on Day 26. They came back almost immediately with the following :

VRM – xxxxxx
PCN – xxxxxxxxxxx

Please be advised that it is the registered keeper’s responsibility to inform of the full name and UK serviceable address of who was driving the vehicle within 28 days beginning with the day after the notice was given. If the full amount remains unpaid, under Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 (‘the Act’), Euro Car Parks have the right subject of the Act to recover from the keeper of the vehicle at the time it was parked so much of that amount which remains unpaid.

If you wish to appeal, please complete the online appeals form at https://appeals.eurocarparks.com/Appeals/Default.aspx and ensure you upload any supporting documents.
--------------------------------------------------------

Putting aside the complete **** which is the first sentence (and the fact that I appealed/complained as keeper), I guess I now just sit here for another 28 days and see if an NtK arrives ?

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Thanks for your help !

Was toying with ****ing charge notice !

Day 26 in the diary..... Will let you know how I get on.

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Getting my appeal ready ahead of the deadline. Please feedback.

One point to note is that the ECP website makes it impossible to appeal online without a PCN Number which of course I don't have, so I am going to be forced to send this by mail, 1st class, proof of posting.

Re PCN number: UNKNOWN

I am the keeper of vehicle <REGISTRATION NUMBER> and my address is <ADDRESS>

On the 2nd July a ‘ING CHARGE NOTICE’ was placed on the vehicle in Sainsbury’s Merton and has since been handed to me.
I am appealing as the KEEPER of the vehicle.

The piece of paper handed to me purports to be a parking charge notice except that due to misalignment of the printing machine, all of the relevant information has been curtailed.

Under Paragraph 7 of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012, certain information MUST be present for a Notice to Driver to be valid and this information is missing from this ‘ING CHARGE NOTICE’ namely but not limited to:

-the vehicle;
-the relevant land;
the parking period;
-the parking charge;
-dates by which a ‘discount’ may be obtained;

Your ‘ING CHARGE NOTICE’ therefore cannot be relied upon as a valid Notice to Driver under paragraph 7(1)(a) of Schedule 4 of the Protection of Freedoms Act.

As such, you have also failed in this instance to abide by the BPA Code of Practice paragraphs 21.6 and 21.7. In addition, your website does not provide an opportunity to appeal without a ‘PCN Number’ which I am unable to provide in this instance and so you have failed to comply with section 23 of the same BPA Code. A complaint to the BPA will be made forthwith.

I dispute your 'parking charge', as the keeper of the vehicle. There will be no admissions as to who was driving and no assumptions can be drawn.

I expect to receive confirmation that this ‘ING PARKING CHARGE’ has been withdrawn.

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