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'A car park is not a road' - House of Lords 1998 - Clark (A.P.) and Others v. Kato, Smith and General Accident Fire & Life Assurance Corporation PLC Cutter v. Eagle Star Insurance Company.It led to the ammendment of the Road Traffic Act 1988 to add 'or other public place' after 'Road' in some cases. There is no mention of 'Other Public Place' in the relevant part of The Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002.

If the car park is not considered to be a 'Public Road', the SORN declaration would be valid.The Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002, Schedule 4,(2),(iii).

Looking on the latest streetview picture, the pole is there but no parking sign attached, the sign is shown attached to it on earlier streetview pictures.

As above, the weight can vary according to the model and shown in their different specification. For example, there are three different sizes of Vito, - Compact, Long, and Extra Long, with three different weights shown.  The 5 seater Vito is normally the compact size, which will be the lowest.

There is a lot of misunderstanding on the internet etc. in respect of Dual Purpose Vehcles and speed limits.The definition of a Dual Purpose Vehicle is in The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, (nothing to do with the registration details in that definition - many are N1, Light Goods, Panel Van etc), all that is required is that the vehicle meeets that definition.Dual Purpose Vehicles are in the same group of vehicles for speed limit purposes as cars, motorcycles, & car-derived-vans in Sch 6, The Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984. 

Quote from: baroudeur on 02 Nov, 2024 13:41To clarify, there is nothing required on a vehicle to indicate the unladen weight so how will the police decide the weight of a vehicle?  Even DVLA struggle to provide the police with an easy way to identify, at the roadside, some of the totally weird specifications relating to vans, MPVs, DPVs, motorhomes and other vehicles.That is one of the problems, it is what the vehicle actually is, not what it is registered as. For example, Vito 5 seaters that meet the requirements to be a 'Dual Purpose Vehicle' are still 'Light Goods Vehicles', but not subject to the goods vehicle speed limits, which some authorities fail to identify the difference. For example the unladen weight may be shown in the manuacturers vehicle specifications, chassis plate, etc. but not understood by the authorities.

That is also in 'The Motor Vehicles (Construction and use) Regulations 1986'Unladen Weight.  "The weight of a vehicle or trailer inclusive of the body and all parts (the heavier being taken where alternative bodies or parts are used) which are necessary to or ordinarily used with the vehicle or trailer when working on a road, but exclusive of the weight of water, fuel or accumulators used for the purpose of the supply of power for the propulsion of the vehicle or, as the case may be, of any vehicle by which the trailer is drawn, and of loose tools and loose equipment".

A Vito 'Dual Purpose Vehicle' will be classed on the V5C as an 'N1, Light Goods Vehicle', if it also meets  the definition of a 'Dual Purpose Vehicle' in the 'The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986, it would not be subject to the goods vehicle speed limit.

Some 5 seater Vitos meet the requirement of a 'Dual Purpose Vehicle' (Check if yours does - windows & seats etc) and are not subject to the goods vehicle speed limit.