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Thanks for your replies MrChips and cp8759.
The timings were in fact 15:19 and 15:20 so I have responded with the following

The contravention did not occur
Because:

 

At the time I am supposed to have been in contravention, the restriction did not apply

 

Your explanation:
Dear London Borough of Lewisham, I challenge liability on the ground that the alleged contravention did not occur. This is because there is a prohibition on entering a box junction if the vehicle cannot clear the box junction without stopping, so the contravention occurs at the point of entry. The video in this case shows the vehicle entered the box junction at 15:19 pm but the penalty charge notice alleges a contravention at 15:20 pm, so while a contravention might have occurred the contravention stated on the face of the notice did not. It follows that the penalty charge must be cancelled. I am not allowed to submit my challenge without ticking one of the reasons presented me, so I have selected " At the time I am supposed to have been in contravention, the restriction did not apply"


By the way MrChips it is indeed at Grove Park Station

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Hi,

My wife was following a van into a yellow box junction. The traffic was flowing freely.
the van stopped after clearing the junction, so she was caught inside the junction.
What she couldn't see was a car 2 in front of the van on the inside of a bus.
On the video evidence, the car has stopped although there looks to be room for it to easily pass the bus.
The upshot is a pcn for stopping in the junction.
You can see this on
lewisham.gov.uk/myservices/parking
Then challenge a pcn

PCN (ticket ref) ZY09564758
VRN GF63ODM

Although she is clearly in the yellow box, is it worth appealing this PCN?


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Traffic order is on its way.

Hi cp8759,
Did you get the traffic order ?

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Today I received a rejection letter from Bromley council for the formal appeal.
As in the previous appeals they have ignored my point of dropping off a passenger who was awaiting a knee op and had difficulty walking.  They have said that the concession for unloading only applies if you have heavy or bulky goods and that if they can be carried by hand the concession does not apply. They are now asking for £130 within 28 days or I can appeal to the parking adjudicator.

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Thanks for the advice.
I will submit my formal challenge and report back with their reply.

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Anyone with any advice for formal challenge ?

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By the way, I haven't sent the appeal yet. I am awaiting any feedback from you.

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Hi,
I have now received the NTO, 3 pages attached.
I have written the formal appeal as follows -

This is my formal challenge to your PCN.

As I said in my previous appeal, I was unloading the car after shopping.

Your reply " stopping for a short period of time, even just a few minutes to park outside of your home, is not permitted" is incorrect.

You have failed to consider the points I made, and nor did I stop to park.

My partner, who is the owner of the car was with me and at the time she had difficulty walking as she was awaiting knee surgery (she had this on Feb 15th). She was also recovering from a gallbladder op which she had 2 weeks previously, so no way was I going to search for a parking bay to unload the shopping and make her walk up to 60 yards.

Also the fact that you waited nearly 3 months to reply to my informal appeal is out of order.

I  have since revisited your informal appeal process and there are now options to select a reason to challenge the PCN  by stating



I was loading/unloading at the time

I was picking up/dropping off a passenger



These options weren't listed when I sent my informal appeal.


Yours sincerely.


Any replies on whether this appeal would work?

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location :  North Road, Bromley

https://maps.app.goo.gl/tCGSxZLmCR4oq4Tz5

I will post again when I receive the NTO

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only the name and address and the penalty chaarge number and location. There is no traffic code.

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I have attached the front and back page of their rejection letter to my informal appeal.

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Sorry, it was the time of contravention and the time seen was exactly the same.
From the images shown, there was less than a minute from the first picture taken and the pcn attached to the car.
From reading other threads, it seems that the only way of getting a n appeal accepted is by pointing out a technical error - is this true?

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I no longer have the PCN. I threw it away after I had no response after 2 months as I thought that there was a time limit of 56 days for them to reply.
I have appealed against PCN's from the council before and have only ever had a reply if the appeal has been rejected (within a few weeks), but they don't reply if it is not rejected.
I am going to wait for them to send the NTO and I will make a formal appeal.
The rejection letter stated that "you said you only stopped for a short time, but this is not allowed".
They ignored my main point that the time of contravention and the time of issue was exactly the same.
 

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There is a yellow line on the road outside my house with parking restrictions.
On December 14th, I returned home from shopping and took some bags into the house.
I went back outside to move the car, literally 3 minutes later and a warden had already put a ticket on my windscreen.
He was walking and could have even seen me get out of the car with my shopping because he had walked 60 yards to my car.
The ticket said the car was seen at 12.38 and was issued at 12.38.
I appealed against this PCN the next day as I believe he should have waited at least a few minutes before issuing a ticket.
I heard nothing until last week, March 14, nearly 3 months later, I received a letter of rejection.
I no longer have the ticket as I thought there was a time limit for them to reply to my appeal.
They have told me if I want to make a formal appeal I will have to wait for a Notice to Owner (NtO).

Are they allowed to issue a ticket without waiting even a minute?

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