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@Hippocrates

You beat me to it!! Yes we WON!!

Points that were considered;

- Council Evidence provided did not show the sign was present when I entered the road. Camera captured front of the car and not from the back, as it enter the road. This would have also shown the signs at the entrance of the road if they did!

- they provided a whole load of pics that had no correlation to where the contravention apparently happened. They added pictures of signage along the length of the road, which were random, as we couldn’t be sure they were in fact from the named Valley Road, as they showed no road names!

- witness statement helped stating passenger also, did not see any signs alerting motorists of no entry.

- the additional evidence I obtained also helped as it showed where the signage “should” have been present but wasn’t. Instead, there were washed up posters attached to the lamppost.

Can’t thank you enough honestly and everyone who gave advice here also!

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Yes as you stated I have to rightly assume the adjudicator has no knowledge of Valley road and this is a good start to paint the picture. I’ll add some extras I believe are relevant too

Thanks once again

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@cp8759

Yes my hearing is face to face, thank you so much.

I’m still waiting on the council pack however it states they can send it up until 3 days before the date.

Funny enough I passed Valley Road yesterday and if you see the pretty signs that have now been put up, good job I had gone before as the evidence looks very different!!

I haven’t sent my rep for the appeal yet, I’m hoping to get that done by today or tomorrow.

I will search to see if I can get my written statement somehow. However in all honesty, my only claim was that the camera was facing the opposite direction and they didn’t provide evidence that I had seen the sign on entering the road, as that too was facing the same direction I was driving in.

I’ve attached my unprofessional annotated picture I sent back to them. From the advice here I wish I had done better leg work before I sent the appeal in

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Will do, thank you so much.  Whatever the outcome I will come back here to share, if there’s anything said that can help anyone else in the future!
Ps forgot to add the screenshot from the Lambeth website where the notice should have been listed but isn’t there

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Soooo from your advice I took a quick spin there this afternoon and obviously the signs are now updated. However there’s an A4 sheet of paper on a lamppost dated 19/01/24 informing of the amendment coming into force from 24th Jan 2024. I then went online to Lambeth website and the previous (the first update informing motor vehicles will not be able to enter the road) is not there?

Google link with all the pictures taken today

https://photos.app.goo.gl/zRwQpC6PFF8yjLXM7

As already mentioned too, why did the council not submit evidence of my car passing a driver facing sign as I allegedly entered a prohibited road?

If there was any sign there on the day I travelled, it might have been those washed out a4 sheets of paper - how is this a proper sign for a motorist to see?

Thankfully I wasn’t riding alone and can get a witness statement.

Since it’s now at tribunal stage, they’ve said the full £130 is payable, there’s no harm in trying to defend my case with everything I can

Thank you to everyone

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Found the original too. I’m so grateful for all the replies, I’m going to try head out today to get some pics but I’m sure they would have rectified the signage by now! Should they not provide evidence that the signage was in place on the said day, instead of just “saying” it was there?

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Hello,

It stated Motor Vehicles

I’ve attached it again here, I hope this is a better quality to see, many thanks


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Hello

Thank you so much for your reply,

Hopefully the link below will show all the required documents if not please do let me know,
Really appreciate

https://photos.app.goo.gl/2qa8MzbyXJqxBFSQ6

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Hello All, I’m new here and hope I’ve followed all the rules, so here goes.. I got a PCN from Lambeth stating contravention code 52m (will attach evidence so I’m not typing it all). I appealed based on the evidence provided shows my car facing the same direction as the sign meant to warn me of possible contravention (please see annotated pic too with red arrows lol). This is a road I travel all the time but they have recently changed entry rules. On the said day, there was no sign warning me not to enter the road, neither have Lambeth provided evidence of a sign being there. I now have a tribunal case in March! Do I have a case to defend or should I count my pennies and pay the fine?

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