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Just to add, as I have a thread with the same contravention and location, my informal appeal for rejected and now am at the formal appelal stage - In my I performed a u-turn just as I passed teh U turn sign across the road (on the right side).

I was on cranbrook road and there is infact a no u-turn sign on the left side also a few meters further ahead but its hidden behind a traffic light, so no way for that to be seen as one turns left onto cranbrook road, see below.

https://ibb.co/93CPXHQf
https://ibb.co/5gwKxSFy
https://ibb.co/dwZSxvRG

Great that you've gone ahead with the formal appeal, I certainly think there's not enough signage especially as it's a new one. I caved and paid after the initial rejection.

Just a few quick observations adding to the full reply given by @H_C_Andersen :

- It’s well worth taking and submitting photos of a driver’s view in York Road on the approach to Cranbrook Road, to prove there are no advance warning signs.

- It’s worth referencing the specific part of the TSRGD that precludes the No U-Turn sign from being placed within a puffin controlled area, otherwise an adjudicator may dismiss the point.

- It may also be worth mentioning the Traffic Signs Manual Chapter 3 (4.11) that states the sign should be on the driver’s LEFT (and can then be duplicated on the right). But remember this is not the law.

- Check the sign at the start of the restriction further south in Cranbrook Rd. It should have a distance plate mounted beneath it. And, there should be a sign 40m north of Wellesley Road with an “End” plate beneath it. If not, this will add weight to your case.

Thanks, I remember seeing the sign with end on it. I will double check and take pictures.

OP, some time ago I asked whether there were any signs in Wellesley warning that drivers were entering a No U-Turn area as soon as they joined Cranbrook.

You've not replied.

You entered Cranbrook at its junction with Wellesley and immediately were within a restricted area i.e it does NOT start at the sign in view in the video 'The prohibition applies to the entire stretch of Cranbrook Road where the signs are in effect not solely after the point at which the sign is passed. It remains the drivers responsibility to look out for signage whilst driving.'

So, whether there are signs in Wellesley as you approach Cranbrook is important. IMO, you could not compile your most persuasive appeal without finding out.

I'm sorry I thought you meant York Road as that's where I entered Cranbrook Road, there were no signs on York Road from where I took the left turn. I mentioned that in my appeal. I actually found the text I wrote in my appeal:

"There is no warning or 'no U-turn' sign in York Road from where I made the turn into Cranbrook road before I made the U turn meaning I was unaware of the rule due to the fact the council did not place a sign to ensure drivers coming from York road are aware of this rule. This is a major flaw,  The first 'no U-turn' sign appears after the pedestrian crossing and I turned before that ‘no u-turn’ sign. This means by the time when I turned left from York road onto cranbrook road and made a U turn , there were not any signs informing me of the fact that there are no U turns allowed there. A contravention should only committed after I have passed the first sign.
The first ‘no u-turn’ sign is placed within a ‘puffin controlled area’ (zig-zag lines). The TSRGD ( TSRGD 2016, reg. 2 and Sch 1) prohibits the use of all road signs (with a few exceptions, eg no-right-turn) from being placed within zig-zag lines. The reason for this is that drivers need to be fully concentrating on pedestrians using the crossing. It’s no wonder I missed the sign - I was paying careful attention to the pedestrian crossing ahead of me.
There is a 'no U-turn' sign after the turn is made, which doesn't warn any driver like me not to make the U-turn before I actually made the turn
I was a resident on mansfield road and I used to make this turn everyday of my life  but however since this is a new rule introduced in March 2025, there should be more warning and signage before drivers like me attempt the U-turn. For this reason receiving a penalty for a rule that isn’t made aware to drivers coming onto Cranbrook road from York road isn't fair. As there are no signs till after the bend on Cranbrook road how was I supposed to know that the rule has been introduced? I believe this is unfair. In the pictures attached below you can clearly see there is no sign from when I turned onto Cranbrook road and made the U turn therefore I argue this penalty should be waived."

Quote from: ss201 on September 04, 2025, 07:52:28 am

I received the rejection from Redbridge but can't seem to find the way to attach anymore  . So I am typing the main part

You have discovered why the use of attachments is not recommended.

The easiest way to upload docs here (unless you have no mobile phone camera) is to use yr  phone to photo each page of each doc, redacting yr name & address where it occurs, and uploading the images to an external site like  https://ibb.co/ or imgur and copy and post the BBCodes here. I use ibb with no probs. (Scroll down past the image to see the BBCode.)

Your transcription is an example of why transcriptions are deprecated - you have a missed a key feature (the date). Please post all sides of the rejection, redacting only yr name & address, and a copy of yr submission to the Council, so that it can be judged how well they considered yr submission.

Thanks for the instructions, here are the bbcodes. Hope it works!
https://ibb.co/gMbXC2GL
https://ibb.co/tpjnsg1v
https://ibb.co/cSfcYKNG

Thanks, we'll check the area for signage before replying

Here's the second page.

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Sorry I didn't notice that. Usually signage is on the left side so that people know before attempting a U turn

Oh dear, yet another satnav-assisted PCN ! It is fatal to just blindly follow instructions from these devices in London where there are hundreds of council traps to catch you out. Did you not understand the meaning of the two "Flying Motorbike" signs ?

Very difficult to get these cancelled. If there are no advance signs, then you might be in with a chance, but we can't see if there are any, because GSV is too out-of-date, so you'd need to do some leg-work with a camera.

Alternative is a fatal error on the PCN making it void, but Hippocrates has put that one to bed, I'm afraid.  We point out PCN errors, but it only works for so long if the council are pro-active on these things.

No unfortunately I never came across this sign before, I was wondering what the sign was and was mistakenly reassured by the car going in front of me :-(