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General discussion => The Flame Pit => Topic started by: roythebus on September 28, 2023, 06:08:10 pm
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Typically it will have happened. Unless a set of final accounts have been passed to HMRC and any liabilities to them settled HMRC will object (I imagine they sometimes miss one).
I would imagine the value of the assets will be repaid to the shareholders as a distribution (which should be in the final accounts). It could be paid as a capital distribution by concession and with HMRC clearance.
An informal liquidation through strike off is not unusual and cheaper than formal MVL.
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You can see from the timeline on Companies House that the deadline to file accounts (31 May) was missed last year and the company was set for compulsory strike off. That was averted, late accounts filed no doubt with a penalty, accounts filed on time this year, at least 3 months no trading, and Bob's your voluntary strike off.
Any cash will have been taken out but how we have no idea - over £25,000 it has to be paid by dividend I think not capital but there may have been other things in place such as a loan by a director to the company.
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Not as I read it
What would happen to the assets of Pepitec, namely approximately £30k?
Was the question, so the answer is the directors/shareholders have probably removed it already (if they have any sense as it's they who are applying for the strike off), but if left in then it would go to the crown.
I see no rhyme or reason why they would leave the money in?
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Even if the company is struck off?
If left in at the point of strike off, then no (go to the crown)
Well, that’s the question posed, isn’t it?
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Even if the company is struck off?
If left in at the point of strike off, then no (go to the crown), but usually the assets will be emptied before the actual striking off (especially with a voluntary SO where the directors/shareholders can pre-plan). That could well/likely perhaps have already happened and we would have no way of knowing.
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Why would any assets go to the directors?
They wouldn’t but they would normally go to the owners (after settling any liabilities) who in this case are the same people (unless their are other shareholders with less than 25%).
Even if the company is struck off?
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Why would any assets go to the directors?
They wouldn’t but they would normally go to the owners (after settling any liabilities) who in this case are the same people (unless their are other shareholders with less than 25%).
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Why would any assets go to the directors?
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What would happen to the assets of Pepitec, namely approximately £30k?
If anyone had donated to Pepipoo previously for the purposes of keeping the site online, could they put in an objection to the company being wound down? The idea being that any of their previous donations are obviously no longer needed, and thus with such an excess of liquidity that's going to the directors, the donation could be returned?
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Goodbye Pepipoo, the first application to have the company struck off.https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/05196712/filing-history
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I'd say at that stage it's looking pretty terminal. Fortunately the admin of this group had the foresight to transfer the major contributors to this new site.
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The next moron to bump this thread asking for updates will likely find themselves not posting for a while.
Same for any posts to say that it's still down.
If we are made aware of any updates, they will be posted here.
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@Night soke
don't hold your breath
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Still offline at 0830 Sunday morning. Maybe the same hack that nobbled Sainsburys, Tesco, JustEat etc.
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Dear Hills and Peeks,
I trust this correspondence finds you well.
Allow me to introduce myself; I am [NAME]. I am contacting you in your capacity as accountants for your esteemed clients, specifically Pepitec Ltd, overseen by directors Mike Morgan and Steve Smith.
Enclosed herewith is a letter intended for your clients' attention. I kindly request your confirmation of its safe receipt and assurance that the enclosed message has been effectively conveyed.
Should any obstacles impede the delivery of the attached message, I would greatly appreciate your esteemed assistance in identifying an alternative means of communication with your client.
Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter.
Yours sincerely,
[NAME]
Content of letter to Mike Morgan and Steve Smith
FAO Mike Morgan or Steve Smith of Pepitec Ltd,
Dear Sirs,
I trust this message finds you well.
Allow me to introduce myself; I am [NAME]. Although we have not had the opportunity to acquaint ourselves previously, I hope you will understand the significance of my outreach.
I am contacting you in your capacity as directors of Pepitec Ltd, the overseeing entity of the web-based forum community known as Pepipoo.com.
The purpose of my communication pertains to recent disruptions in service, compounded by the revelation from moderators regarding their inability to ensure the continuity of the website.
I wish to extend an invitation for you to consider presenting an offer to transfer control of the service, along with the associated domain name, which currently holds a remaining registration period of four years.
My intention behind this proposal is to appoint an administrator capable of assuming responsibility for maintaining continuity, as well as assembling a team of volunteer moderators to oversee the day-to-day operations of the community.
Should you wish to discuss this matter further, please do not hesitate to contact me via email at [EMAIL] or by telephone at [MOB].
I would greatly appreciate your confirmation of safe receipt of this communication, regardless of your decision.
Best Regards,
[NAME]
I'll keep you all posted.
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If the Pepipoo administrators are unresponsive to your attempts to communicate, consider reaching out to them through their accountants at https://hillsandpeeks.co.uk/. Their recent submission of a confirmation statement on 22 August last year suggests they are actively engaged. Request that your message be relayed to their client, and enquire whether they might be open to transferring administrative control to a more proactive party.
This was attempted during the last outage in June last year and nobody got any response at all, that's exactly why we set up ftla.
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I've seen the IPS driver error multiple times in the last six months or so. Usually goes away after a few minutes.
This morning I'm getting the below which is new, to me at least.
Database Connection Failed
Error: Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) (2002)
Function Performed: CONNECT
Host/DB: localhost/pepipoo_cmsms
Database Type: mysql
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If the Pepipoo administrators are unresponsive to your attempts to communicate, consider reaching out to them through their accountants at https://hillsandpeeks.co.uk/. Their recent submission of a confirmation statement on 22 August last year suggests they are actively engaged. Request that your message be relayed to their client, and enquire whether they might be open to transferring administrative control to a more proactive party.
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Still like it this morning...the end is nigh...
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Just now:
IPS Driver Error
There appears to be an error with the database.
You can try to refresh the page by ....
But is there anyone who is in a position to fix it, given the intermittent nature of the admins?
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Just now:
IPS Driver Error
There appears to be an error with the database.
You can try to refresh the page by ....
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Pepipoo still down tonight, I get an error message. Maybe the feds have stepped in?
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Ditto.
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same here:
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/forums.pepipoo.com?proto=http
Is Forums.pepipoo.com down?
It's not just you! forums.pepipoo.com is down.
Last updated: Mar 15, 2024, 5:30 PM (1 second ago)
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Same: https://www.uptrends.com/tools/uptime?toolRequestGuid=3070a4c6-df16-470b-b6b5-974492a896c2
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Its down again ... checked https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/forums.pepipoo.com?proto=http to confirm.
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me to
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Looks like pepipoo is down again ...
Working fine for me.
For me too.
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Looks like pepipoo is down again ...
Working fine for me.
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Looks like pepipoo is down again ...
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I think we should encourage people here as it pepipoo is effectively dead even if it doesn't actually go offline.
I think Andy's comment on PePiPoo was pretty much on the money:
Just an observation - keeping the site "ticking along" "as is" is relatively trivial. Migrating it to a new platform (particularly if not simply an upgraded form of the current platform), not so much.
The admins have 3 choices - let the site die, enable it to continue as is, or enable it to improve.
The site will realistically never be what it was when the self-incrimination argument was still alive and kicking (before the ECtHR fudgement in O'Halloran & Francis v the UK).
Can it be better than it currently is? Yes,
Would those of us who use the site like it to be better than it currently is? Yes
Would it involve the admins either doing the work or giving up some control? Yes.
Whose choice would that be? Theirs.
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Cloudflare! It's free for a load of stuff including their "Access" stuff so you can throw all your internal stuff behind a firewall but still access it, all of my sites are proxied through it, and the analytics are really useful too.
I thought you'd say that - can't use them because I can't use their nameservers ... but thanks anyway.
Back on topic ... I think we should encourage people here as it pepipoo is effectively dead even if it doesn't actually go offline.
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It would appear that pepitec.co.uk has been renewed today, expiry now in 2028
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Nameservers stopped responding today
I'm getting the impression that it's a VPS rather than shared hosting. The server IP reverses to "server.pepipoo.com" and I don't think anything else is on the IP.
Sparxy - thats a bit less than I am paying via Enom - who are you using? And yes I'd suspect that picking up the domain when it expires is going to be a very very slim chance as the bots will be all over it.
Cloudflare! It's free for a load of stuff including their "Access" stuff so you can throw all your internal stuff behind a firewall but still access it, all of my sites are proxied through it, and the analytics are really useful too.
Anyone know who registered pepipoo.uk?
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Nameservers stopped responding today ...
Sparxy - thats a bit less than I am paying via Enom - who are you using? And yes I'd suspect that picking up the domain when it expires is going to be a very very slim chance as the bots will be all over it.
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From the information available online it would seem that the Pepitec domain is still due to expire at the end of this month.
Anyone here planning to dive in and grab the domain name if it becomes available? That way a redirect to here at least could be set up.
As already said, I will if I can. The problem is that it becomes available as part of a "drop list" from Nominet, then it's whoever is first. Since it's been a very popular/long lasting domain, it's likely to be attempted to be swiped by various domain parking companies, or shudder a PPC.
I have a "watch" with a registrar where they'll automatically attempt to register it once it becomes available to register sometime next year.
I don,t know what it cost to "Grab a domain name" but i can see sense in this site buying it. I for one would be happy to cough up a share of the cost, i think others would to
Depends on which registrar you use, but I'm currently paying $4.70pa for a .uk domain, and $9.77pa for a .com (USD).
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Domain registration for a .com domain costs ~£10-15 a year - if the domain is available to register.
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I don,t know what it cost to "Grab a domain name" but i can see sense in this site buying it. I for one would be happy to cough up a share of the cost, i think others would to
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From the information available online it would seem that the Pepitec domain is still due to expire at the end of this month.
Anyone here planning to dive in and grab the domain name if it becomes available? That way a redirect to here at least could be set up.
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Unless someone extends Pepipoo's domain registration you might not need to have NFI for much longer...!
Same moderator on both I see...
Not quite. PePiPoo has one Moderator (Southpaw82), but seemingly no active administrators. Someone filed the company accounts but as far as one can tell none of the admins have been active on the site for a number of years.
This site has 2 admins (Southpaw82 and cp8759) and 2 Moderators (andy_foster as a 'global' mod and me for the private parking forum). If nothing else that avoids all the moderating duties falling on Southpaw's shoulders. And having active administrators means that 'back end' issues can be investigated and resolved.
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I've NFI which Forum to look at - there's precious little speeding threads here for example?
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Look at both?
If the impending demise of PPP happens, this will be the only decent site of this sort in the UK.
If it doesn't, we will have two.
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'We' in this context was former/previous/current members of PPP.
I've NFI which Forum to look at - there's precious little speeding threads here for example?
Same moderator on both I see............
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The underlying domain that has the nameservers is still going to expire (it hasn't been renewed, yet). The only hope of this being resolved seemed to be a random new account that spouted rainbows then didn't seem to deliver anything.
forums.pepipoo.com and pepipoo.com will stop resolving (and become inaccessible unless you add the server IP address to your hosts file) around the 30th of November (30 days after the date of expiry). Obviously Joe Public isn't going to know to add the IP address to the hosts file, so they'll just see a name resolution error on their browser.
When the domain becomes available to purchase (if it isn't renewed), and if I can nab it, I'll redirect the traffic here, perhaps with a little landing page to explain whats happened to Pepipoo. But the site will have been offline for 65 days by that point (I think that's correct, might be slightly more or less than 65 days).
Archive.org does have a copy of the site, but it may not be 100% up to date to the day the domain expires.
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Does anyone know if we're actually migrating here from PPP or not? Members will be leaving on droves if noone has a clue which site will live on?
Well this site isn't going anywhere, as we (or more specifically our long-time moderator and now admin southpaw82) owns the domain. If for argument's stake the hosting service went down or kicked us off their platform for some reason, we could repoint the domain to a new forum hosting service and get the site back up and running (with the same structure, admins, moderators and so on) in maybe half a day at most.
The old pepipoo software is buggy as hell and frankly I won't miss it.
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@M60NJP
As far as I know, this
http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showtopic=150302&pid=1791358&st=100&#entry1791358
gives the latest position.
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Does anyone know if we're actually migrating here from PPP or not?
Who do you mean by 'we'? The owners/administrators of this site are different to those who own PePiPoo, so nobody on here can say with any certainty whether or not PePiPoo will live on.
From the information available online it would seem that the Pepitec domain is still due to expire at the end of this month.
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Does anyone know if we're actually migrating here from PPP or not? Members will be leaving on droves if noone has a clue which site will live on?
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I noticed the same around that time, it wouldn't respond to pings then it did and back online.
I notice that the alleged admin on PPP who posted that the domain would be renewed in a few weeks, hasn't yet renewed the domain. If my calculations are correct, it'll go offline as of about 30/11/23.
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Yes, it worked for me again after trying a few times. Schoolkids must be busy round here! False alarm, sorry people.
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http://forums.pepipoo.com/index.php?showforum=30&prune_day=100&sort_by=Z-A&sort_key=last_post&topicfilter=all&st=0
working for me at 6.20pm
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I've just tried to log on the the original PPP site and safari says unable to connect to server. I'm wondering if this a temporary error or has it finally disappeared?