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Live cases legal advice => Civil penalty charge notices (Councils, TFL and so on) => Topic started by: Dumbum on February 05, 2025, 03:09:45 pm

Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: cp8759 on May 08, 2025, 06:03:28 pm
Outcome (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1djo5O6pwtFO9COuEAVjm7LgWtjtEtj6X/view).
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Dumbum on May 06, 2025, 06:41:49 pm
;D Allowed.

Many thanks and very well done.

Emailed you.
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Hippocrates on May 06, 2025, 04:18:14 pm
 ;D Allowed.
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Hippocrates on April 27, 2025, 12:25:31 pm
Edited.
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Hippocrates on February 18, 2025, 11:26:30 am
PM sent.
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Hippocrates on February 17, 2025, 12:10:04 pm
I will PM you.
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Dumbum on February 17, 2025, 11:00:09 am
Sure. 50/50.


Many thanks. What do I need to do to enable you?
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Hippocrates on February 16, 2025, 09:16:29 pm
Sure. 50/50.
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Dumbum on February 16, 2025, 05:23:16 pm
Thanks for both replies above.

Chances of success here?

Anyone fancy doing the tribunal?
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Hippocrates on February 16, 2025, 11:59:54 am
Looks like they're bluffing their way on the CCTV approval process.
Well, if this is the evidence they will provide to the Tribunal, the Adjudicator will not be expected to click on a link.

Case for perusal re signage:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bLvPW0TH_QAvabqJdN2FQ3glB_Ow7-kH/view
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Incandescent on February 16, 2025, 10:05:25 am
Looks like they're bluffing their way on the CCTV approval process.
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Dumbum on February 16, 2025, 08:57:18 am
As expected the representations have been rejected.

Scans below

Worth appealing?  TIA

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Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Dumbum on February 08, 2025, 08:26:20 am
So….

Thank you.

Website doesn’t allow you to tick multiple boxes so filed under “other” exactly as you suggested. Screenshots of everything.

Will await the rejection letter and revisit.


Cheers again.
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Hippocrates on February 07, 2025, 11:27:45 am
So:

1. Go to their website and screenshot and tick all the hoops.

2. I challenge as follows.

There is no evidence of an upright sign in the video.

I put you to strict proof that the camera used to capture the alleged contravention has the correct approval.

I also request the name of the camera.

I make this collateral challenge in that your website fetters discretion because of all the boxes with grounds which must be ticked even before I can make a formal representation. This is surely wholly prejudicial.

In light of the above, please cancel.
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Dumbum on February 07, 2025, 10:06:50 am
Won a case v Kingston Monday because they did not provide the certificate. Neither did they provide a picture of the sign which was knackered in any event - sunburn.

That's interesting, well done.

Much chance of success in this case?

Can I request the certificate as "representations" or is there a different procedure?


TIA
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Dumbum on February 07, 2025, 09:59:11 am

Video shows you already in the bus stop area, backing up and stopping. Anything more you can tell us about why you parked there ?


I'm afraid I was just dropping someone off to go into the shop there (and waited for her).  My bad entirely.
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Hippocrates on February 06, 2025, 09:10:00 am
Is the sign in the video? Do they have a VCA certificate for the camera?
I doubt the sign is in the video, as the cameras are here: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/398pe5EbsAPQoNm7A
Video shows the car from above.

As for the VCA certificate, I don't know. Does one only find out at London Tribunals ?
Won a case v Kingston Monday because they did not provide the certificate. Neither did they provide a picture of the sign which was knackered in any event - sunburn.
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Incandescent on February 05, 2025, 11:03:31 pm
Is the sign in the video? Do they have a VCA certificate for the camera?
I doubt the sign is in the video, as the cameras are here: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/398pe5EbsAPQoNm7A
Video shows the car from above.

As for the VCA certificate, I don't know. Does one only find out at London Tribunals ?
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Hippocrates on February 05, 2025, 10:35:10 pm
Is the sign in the video? Do they have a VCA certificate for the camera?
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Incandescent on February 05, 2025, 09:55:18 pm
OK, so here is the sign that tells you, (and us), that it is a restricted bus stop. If the sign wasn't there they couldn't enforce it.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/9zBfgbf6MbyGFk9MA

Video shows you already in the bus stop area, backing up and stopping. Anything more you can tell us about why you parked there ?

Edit
GSV link added.I forgot when I posted.  A senior moment !!

Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Dumbum on February 05, 2025, 03:31:53 pm
Please post a link to the exact location, please.


Thanks.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/cY6NbwJmrc5CMfqK6
Title: Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Incandescent on February 05, 2025, 03:24:55 pm
Please post a link to the exact location, please.

Here's a view of New North Road: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/aisNhupLo67z6AjG8
We need a link like this, but for the exact location. If you go to the street view, then look at the black square top left, you'll see three dots. Click on this for the menu and select "Share or embed image". On the box titled "Share" click on 'Copy Link'. You can then paste it into your post.
Title: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
Post by: Dumbum on February 05, 2025, 03:09:45 pm
Hi.  I think I'm bang to rights on this one but hoping to be told otherwise.

Many thanks in advance.

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