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Hello. A family member has received this parking ticket - Parked for Longer Than Permitted. It was issued here.

https://www.google.com/maps?ll=53.945268,-1.047748&z=18&t=m&hl=en-GB&gl=US&mapclient=apiv3

I have uploaded an image of the ticket that was issued to the dropbox link below. I was wondering if there are any grounds for appeal? Thank you.

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/gudsystjhle7nmy1gvgva/h?rlkey=7jdsl6kp00qz1t5fdx7glo4er&dl=0

Thank you, in advance.

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Re: York Main Street - Parked for Longer Than Permitted
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There is a grace period for parking over the allowed time, but your relative was over that. The CEO will have recorded your car there at the first observation time, and then came back, and found the car still there past the 2 hours limit. Permit holders have no time limit.

Please post the back of the PCN so we can check it for fatal errors of content.

« Last Edit: April 21, 2024, 08:00:49 pm by cp8759 »

Re: York Main Street - Parked for Longer Than Permitted
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The PCN is not compliant with the regulations for the content of a Regulation 9 PCN, (one that is served at the roadside to car or driver).

Have a read of Chapter 1 in the regulations, (link below). Compare your PCN with the regulations mandate. It is clear that the PCN does not comply. In fact this is one of the worst examples I've seen yet. 

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents

Re: York Main Street - Parked for Longer Than Permitted
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Good afternoon Incandescent,

Having looked at the link - it appears that this is a link to the Equality Act 2010 - is this correct?

I looked at Chapter 1 of The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2022/9780348232752/part/2/chapter/1

It appears that the notice does not include the necessary information -

-ie it does not state:

(ii)any such representations made outside the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the notice is served (“the payment period”) may be disregarded;

If so - would this be a suitable grounds for an appeal? Would you suggest any other avenues which your expert eyes may have spotted?

Best

Re: York Main Street - Parked for Longer Than Permitted
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Oops, posted the wrong link  !! Please accept my grovelling apologies.

Here is the correct link: -
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2022/9780348232752/contents

Re: York Main Street - Parked for Longer Than Permitted
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No apology required incandescent!

It appears that the notice posted on the car does not include the necessary information as dictated by the regulations.

-ie it does not state:

(ii)any such representations made outside the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which the notice is served (“the payment period”) may be disregarded;

If you agree with this reading - would this be a suitable grounds for an appeal? Would you suggest any other avenues which your expert eyes may have spotted?

Re: York Main Street - Parked for Longer Than Permitted
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No, look at Chapter 1 Regulation 3 (1)
You have a Regulation 9 PCN. not an enforcement notice, (see the definitions in Part 1 Preliminary (2)
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Re: York Main Street - Parked for Longer Than Permitted
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Incandescent,

Thank you. I see the text which is missing namely section C. I appreciate your time and patience in guiding us.

I was planning to send the following in via an informal appeal.

Do you feel that this is sufficient, Incandescent?


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I am writing to request that the following PCN be cancelled. It does not contain the the necessary information which is set out in The Civil Enforcement of Road Traffic Contraventions (Representations and Appeals) (England) Regulations 2022.

Namely, Chapter 3, Section 1:

Information about right to make representations or appeal to be included in regulation 9 penalty charge notices and enforcement notices

3.—(1) A regulation 9 penalty charge notice must include the following information—

(a)that a person on whom a notice to owner is served may, in accordance with these Regulations, make representations to the enforcement authority against the penalty charge and, if those representations are rejected, appeal to an adjudicator;

(b)that if, before a notice to owner is served, representations against the penalty charge are received at such address as may be specified in the notice for the purpose those representations will be considered by the enforcement authority;

(c)that if a notice to owner is served despite the representations mentioned in sub-paragraph (b), representations against the penalty charge must be made to the enforcement authority in the form and manner and at the time specified in the notice to owner.


This notice does not contain sections B or C.

Therefore, as this PCN is not compliant with the regulations, I request that it is cancelled.


Re: York Main Street - Parked for Longer Than Permitted
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Hi - just to let you know, submitted this representation so as not to miss the time window.

Re: York Main Street - Parked for Longer Than Permitted
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Hello! The appeal was rejected - letter attached below.

Would it be worth resubmitting once the NtO is received on the same grounds?

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/5k4jv78e1huln2bsf9txu/Notice-of-Rejection-Redacted.pdf?rlkey=dffgx2xf2vejosx1hg1l6xtua&dl=0

Re: York Main Street - Parked for Longer Than Permitted
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What a load of tosh they've written. Clearly the bloke who wrote it is completely ignorant of the law. The regulations define content of PCNs. A council can't decide what to include and what not.  It is up to you whether to risk the full PCN penalty and wait for the Notice to Owner or just cough-up the discount, but I'd go for it if it were me.

Re: York Main Street - Parked for Longer Than Permitted
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Hi, what do you think the chances of this winning either at formal appeal or adjudicator? I think that we have a strong case, if the PCN does not contain all the information which it is required to? Best,

Re: York Main Street - Parked for Longer Than Permitted
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Just wait now for the notice to keeper then submit your formal reps (appeal) using the same argument (+ things wrong with NtK) - you will probably get a rejection again and then it will be on to adjudicator :) I've just got to the adjudication stage with my own ticket.

Post the Notice to Keeper when you get it

Note dates when you get any letters from the council regarding the PCN.

Re: York Main Street - Parked for Longer Than Permitted
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Just wait now for the notice to keeper then submit your formal reps (appeal) using the same argument (+ things wrong with NtK) - you will probably get a rejection again and then it will be on to adjudicator :) I've just got to the adjudication stage with my own ticket.

Post the Notice to Keeper when you get it

Note dates when you get any letters from the council regarding the PCN.

Thanks - is yours also similar ticket with York?

Yes I agree @Incandescent - I think that it is clear the PCN doesn't contain all the info that is necessary, but that will be tested by the NTO reps / adjudicator?