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Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #30 on: »
I haven't! Sorry for any unintended criticisms.
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https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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My e mail address for councils:

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Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #31 on: »
Evening Hippocrates and the forum,

Hope you’re having a good week!

So as expected today I got the response from Waltham Forest Council Who have rejected the appeal … surprise surprise.

Response is here:

Thank you for your correspondence regarding the above Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) and after considering all the evidence the Authority is satisfied that the contravention occurred and that the PCN was issued correctly.
The PCN was issued because the CCTV evidence confirms that the vehicle travelled in a bus lane thereby contravening the bus lane regulations.
Whilst I appreciate your circumstances, they do not warrant the cancellation of the PCN.
The signing of the Bus Lane in question, is in accordance with the governments Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions - which state that signs must be no more than 185 meters apart. It is not a TSRGD requirement to install a end of bus lane sign and TfL no longer use this on their bus lanes as they consider it unnecessary clutter.
Lines clearly become worn and faded in varying degrees from time to time. However, they are still enforceable if they are substantially clear and compliant and not misleading to the motorist. Having considered the photographic evidence, the Authority is satisfied that the bus lane markings are clear and enforceable.
The London Local Authorities Act 2000 enabled Authorities to issue PCNs by CCTV although there was no legal requirement until 31 March 2009 for an approved device to be used by an Authority. Our Certificate of approval was issued by this date.
To view our approval on the website please go to: www.gov.uk/government/publications/list- of-certifications-granted-for-approved-devices.
Keeping buses moving is an essential part of improving public transport and reducing traffic congestion. All of the borough’s bus lanes are clearly identified by road markings and signage. The operational hours of bus lanes i.e. when other vehicles are not allowed to drive in them, are identified on the roadside signs, operation times may vary, and if there is no time restriction on the sign, the bus lane is operational at all times.
Under sections 5 & 8 of the RTA, a vehicle must not drive, park, or stop in a bus lane during its period of operation unless the signs indicate that the vehicle may do so.

I am therefore satisfied that the PCN was issued correctly and you remain liable for the charge.

To view the footage at the time the penalty was issued you can visit: www.walthamforest.gov.uk/ocm
You will need to enter your PCN number and vehicle registration mark.
Your informal representation made prior to the Enforcement Notice has been rejected on this occasion. As your correspondence was received within the discount period the reduced amount of £65.00 will be accepted as full payment of this Penalty Charge if payment is received within 14 days beginning with the date on which this letter was served.
You now have two options:
Option1:
Pay the reduced Penalty Charge of £65.00 within 14 days of service of this letter and the case will be closed.
Option 2:
Make a Formal Representation against the Enforcement Notice which will be sent to you if payment is not received within the time stipulated. Please be advised that at this stage the Penalty Charge will be payable at the full fine amount of £130.00.
If your formal representation is rejected an Appeals form will be sent to you with which you can make an appeal to the Independent Adjudicator. The Adjudicators decision is binding and can order the payment of costs against either the council or the registered keeper if either party has been particularly unreasonable.

The next step would be Option 2.

Would I be waiting for that to be received in the post?

Thanks

Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #32 on: »
The London Local Authorities Act 2000 enabled Authorities to issue PCNs by CCTV although there was no legal requirement until 31 March 2009 for an approved device to be used by an Authority. Our Certificate of approval was issued by this date.

TAB = Total absolute bolleaux which resulted in costs decision: 2240194118.

In their notice of rejection, in one particular sentence, the local authority stated that they had an approved device by 31st March 2009. The approval certificate they rely on is dated 6th March 2023. I find the sentence to be misleading in what is an important document in these proceedings.

Just wait for the Enforcement Notice and we will have some fun. They are totally clueless and evidently do not read decisions.
« Last Edit: August 27, 2024, 10:06:40 pm by Hippocrates »
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #33 on: »
Haha! Thanks for the info.

I look forward to having some fun with this one :-)

Will ping a reply when the enforcement is received in the post!

Have a good evening

Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #34 on: »
Serendipity.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #35 on: »

Drove along Whipps Cross Road a few days ago and lo and behold after numerous years of no maintenance they have finally repainted the road markings.

Better late than never!

Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #36 on: »
Wait for the EN.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #37 on: »

Drove along Whipps Cross Road a few days ago and lo and behold after numerous years of no maintenance they have finally repainted the road markings.

Better late than never!
I wonder if they'll be mendacious, and show the repainted road markings in the EN, and at London Tribunals. You can bet your bottom dollar this repaint was not normal maintenance.

Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #38 on: »

Drove along Whipps Cross Road a few days ago and lo and behold after numerous years of no maintenance they have finally repainted the road markings.

Better late than never!
I wonder if they'll be mendacious, and show the repainted road markings in the EN, and at London Tribunals.
Any mendacity will be dealt with accordingly.

But, I doubt they will even turn up.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #39 on: »
Hi Hippocrates

Hope you’re have been well and had a good week.

I have received in the post the next letter titled Enforcement Notice.

Would I forward the same appeal to this stage?

Will await your feedback.

Thanks

Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #40 on: »
Also they are still sending the letter addressed to my wife who owns the vehicle but I was the one driving and taking this over.

I would need to put that in the next stage so they contact me and not here lol!

Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #41 on: »
Let's see it please. It is addressed to your wife as she is the registered keeper. She should sign the formal representations.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #42 on: »
See the letter received in the images links here

https://ibb.co/GQwFv2L
https://ibb.co/zJXjLHf
https://ibb.co/mBXbvYZ
https://ibb.co/gFKzRjp

Will await your next steps

Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #43 on: »
As I will be taking over the case in my name should I make this clear in the next appeal as I was the one driving and wouldn’t want it in her name

Will await your feedback

Re: Whipps Cross Road Bus Lane Fine
« Reply #44 on: »
As I will be taking over the case in my name should I make this clear in the next appeal as I was the one driving and wouldn’t want it in her name

Will await your feedback


The driver has no standing in the civil enforcement process, and there will be no taking over the case in your name.
 In online reps, you can make them as if from your wife (using her name), but the Notice of Acceptance or Rejection will go by post to the name and address of the Registered Keeper on the V5, as did the PCN. For an appeal to the Adjudicator, you will need an letter of authority signed by her authorising you to act on her behalf.