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WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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Hello Folks,

Could someone look at this, please? The driver was given a PCN for being in the bus lane.

This occurred at the start of the bus lane and the sign was not visible as it was not facing the driver but facing the side which makes it impossible for a driver to see.
The driver was parked in a parking spot but was unaware the bus lane was active.

On the video, it can be seen that the driver driver parks and whilst coming out it can be seen that driver takes a picture of the sign (picture attachedr)


Please note there is another stretch of bus lane before that but that is "broken" and there is a new stretch after the zebra crossing.

As can be seen on the google map picture, the sign is facing the wrong direction. Googlemap link

Any thoughts on how the driver could appeal this?

Thank you




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Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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Can you check your GSV link as it doesn't work.
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for some reason I can`t find the edit button

Here`s the link

https://maps.app.goo.gl/cVfj8sp8nfRjDvYX8
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Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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Video doesn't work either.
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Quote from: Incandescent on October 30, 2023, 05:54:22 pm
Video doesn't work either.

Should I upload the video too?

It was just a screengrab of the video where it shows I was taking a picture.
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Quote from: S.M on October 30, 2023, 10:26:36 pm
Quote from: Incandescent on October 30, 2023, 05:54:22 pm
Video doesn't work either.

Should I upload the video too?

It was just a screengrab of the video where it shows I was taking a picture.
The video is their sole evidence of the alleged contravention, so we need to see it.
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Quote from: S.M on October 30, 2023, 10:26:36 pm
Quote from: Incandescent on October 30, 2023, 05:54:22 pm
Video doesn't work either.

Should I upload the video too?
Just give us the PCN number and number plate and I'll post the video for you. I've also fixed the link in your opening post.
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Quote from: cp8759 on October 31, 2023, 10:52:24 pm
Quote from: S.M on October 30, 2023, 10:26:36 pm
Quote from: Incandescent on October 30, 2023, 05:54:22 pm
Video doesn't work either.

Should I upload the video too?
Just give us the PCN number and number plate and I'll post the video for you. I've also fixed the link in your opening post.

https://gemoo.com/tools/upload-video/share/578780036247695360?codeId=PYxVwa95pxj1L&card=578780032841920512

Here`s the video. I have privately messaged you the pcn
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Re: WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10
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Well it seems a very straightforward case, just make a representation pointing out that the sign is turned the wrong way round.

For something as simple as this, you don't really need a fancy technical challenge for something like this. Also please note that for council cases you don't need to bother with any of this "the driver" stuff: if you were driving, just tell us. If you weren't, please confirm the connection between yourself and the driver (and the registered keeper).
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Quote from: cp8759 on November 02, 2023, 08:48:23 pm
Well it seems a very straightforward case, just make a representation pointing out that the sign is turned the wrong way round.

For something as simple as this, you don't really need a fancy technical challenge for something like this. Also please note that for council cases you don't need to bother with any of this "the driver" stuff: if you were driving, just tell us. If you weren't, please confirm the connection between yourself and the driver (and the registered keeper).

Cheers - I have made the representation and attached the picture. Hope they do accept this and not make it difficult.
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Quote from: S.M on November 02, 2023, 10:55:44 pm
Hope they do accept this and not make it difficult.
To set your expectations, I would fully expect Waltham Forest to reject everything and push this one to the tribunal. They're just difficult.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Quote from: cp8759 on November 04, 2023, 04:27:20 pm
Quote from: S.M on November 02, 2023, 10:55:44 pm
Hope they do accept this and not make it difficult.
To set your expectations, I would fully expect Waltham Forest to reject everything and push this one to the tribunal. They're just difficult.

You were absolutely 100% right, they rejected it despite me sending both pictures that I took and the one from Google Maps. They haven`t sent the notice to owner as of yet, I only found this out by calling them. 
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Please to post up the rejection.
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How can they get away with it?
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I received a PCN for driving in the bus lane despite no signs being present. We all know it is not enforceable and despite my representation with pictures Walthamforest decided to reject the appeal.
My question now is, when I go to the tribunal and I win my case

1- Is there a mechanism in place which allows someone to force Walthamforest to cancel all similar PCNs? (Given that the sign is not adequate and hasn`t been for ages )

2- How can we raise a complaint regarding the person who is rejecting those appeals?

Apologies If I sound like I`m ranting.
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Re: How can they get away with it?
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Does this relate to your ongoing thread in the Council Forum - WalthamForest, 34 - Being in a Bus Lane, High Road Leyton (Bus Lane) E10?

If so, any reason you've started a new Flame Pit thread about it, rather than continuing to seek advice on your active case thread?
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