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Re: Waltham forest issues PCN for being on yellow box after turning right
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Each to their own, but IMO the problem with such short reps is that it's difficult to argue subsequently that they've failed to give proper consideration when there's no depth to the argument.

Re: Waltham forest issues PCN for being on yellow box after turning right
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Fair enough but having lost a similar case I am a little more cautious at the moment.
Always hard to know exactly where to draw the line.
I did win 7 of 9 yellow box PCNs at the tribunal in 2024.

2240307837 was the twitter featured pcn.

Mr Dishman appeared before me today on behalf of the appellant.

The council did not attend the hearing.

I reserved my decision.

The contravention alleged in these proceedings is that this vehicle entered and stopped in a box junction when prohibited.

Mr Dishman made submissions in accordance with his skeleton argument of 31/07/24.

I would accept that this box is marked in an unusual way but, my having considered the matter, and notwithstanding the marking of two horizontal lines in the middle of the box, diagonal lines are not out of kilter. I am satisfied that there is no ambiguity as to the prohibition on stopping this box conveys. I find that this box is marked in substantial compliance with the legal requirements.

The benefit of the right turn exemption is claimed.

The prohibition on vehicles entering and having to stop within a box junction due to the presence of stationery vehicles does not apply where a vehicle enters a box for the purpose of turning right it stopping in the box for so long as it is prevented from completing that right turn by oncoming vehicles or by other vehicles being stationery whilst waiting to turn right.

I am not satisfied on the footage that either of these criteria have been met and I am not accordingly satisfied that the exemption is applicable.

I find this contravention proved.


I help you pro bono (for free). I now ask that a £40 donation is made to the North London Hospice before I take over your case. I have an 85% success rate across 2,000 PCNs but some PCNs can't be beaten and I will tell you if your case looks hopeless before asking you to donate.

Re: Waltham forest issues PCN for being on yellow box after turning right
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It's worth at least making reps on the basis of no ask no get and that WF will reoffer the discount (unlike Havering). It's not a frivolous ask.

Not such what depth there is - it's not an exercise in quantum mechanics.

Re: Waltham forest issues PCN for being on yellow box after turning right
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They rejected my appeal :'(  see attached anything I can do?

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