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Re: Waltham Forest Code 34 - Being in a Bus Lane
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I have received a reply by post. [Notice of Rejection of Representation]

Page 1: https://i.ibb.co/5hmLFJR/IMG-3435.jpg
Close Up Images (Page 1): https://i.ibb.co/7QcKmBp/IMG-3437.jpg
Page 2: https://i.ibb.co/WBtCsyv/IMG-3436.jpg
Page 3: https://i.ibb.co/RvPKnV3/IMG-3438.jpg
Page 4: https://i.ibb.co/ZcnCpW8/IMG-3439.jpg
Page 5: https://i.ibb.co/rskYQtN/IMG-3440.jpg
Page 6: https://i.ibb.co/n7rYdxZ/IMG-3441.jpg
Page 7: https://i.ibb.co/t3Vmq4F/IMG-3442.jpg

I have 2 issues with this letter, so I could use some help understanding this.

1. The supplementary images supplied by WF is not where the alleged contravention occurred.
The first image the location is here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5599898,-0.0090291,3a,75y,135.66h,79.54t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1spYPqPMsZfwQ5W3X8E0INcQ!2e0!5s20220401T000000!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu

The second image, the location is here but there is no bus sign (must have been put up after Google street view April 2022):
https://www.google.com/maps/@51.5600559,-0.0093074,3a,32.9y,92.91h,89.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOvtIJRw1einu3d8f237kGQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu


2. Where WF have provided a link to the CCTV certificates page (https://www.walthamforest.gov.uk/neighbourhoods/crime-and-community-safety/closed-circuit-television-cctv), i found a map where there is no CCTV icon on the map of the alleged contravention.
Map here: https://www.google.com/maps/d/u/0/viewer?mid=1oF0-Wgbo0jNq0i0D5dGfuQLOxPnxgVy_&ll=51.59749104335556%2C-0.012309149999998326&z=13



Re: Waltham Forest Code 34 - Being in a Bus Lane
« Reply #31 on: »
Somewhat odd parking restrictions, so until we see the PCN, it is difficult to give advice as so much depends on times the OP was there.

Re: Waltham Forest Code 34 - Being in a Bus Lane
« Reply #32 on: »
If you are certain those images are wrong, then you have a strong case.  Also, their reply to the camera certification is nonsense.  Up to you as to whether you want to go to the Tribunal and I am happy to take this one on free of charge.  Neither have they addressed the 958 warning sign.

I would say Tribunal time.
« Last Edit: February 18, 2024, 01:59:02 pm by Hippocrates »
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Re: Waltham Forest Code 34 - Being in a Bus Lane
« Reply #33 on: »
Yes the images they have provided are 100% incorrect, which i have linked to the location.


When you say “up to you”, what do you mean? Do i have other options?

I would prefer the best option.

Thanks

Re: Waltham Forest Code 34 - Being in a Bus Lane
« Reply #34 on: »
I would say go to the Tribunal.  Pretty good chance of winning in my view.
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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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Re: Waltham Forest Code 34 - Being in a Bus Lane
« Reply #35 on: »
Thanks for your reply.

You said in a previous reply you can represent me in tribunal. I would happily accept your offer, what should I do from my end?

Also for the form that came with the rejection letter, is there a certain way for it to be filled? Can it be filled online? I do not want to accidentally write something wrong.

Thanks

Re: Waltham Forest Code 34 - Being in a Bus Lane
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I will PM you my details.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

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« Last Edit: March 19, 2024, 06:03:31 pm by cp8759 »
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Re: Waltham Forest Code 34 - Being in a Bus Lane
« Reply #39 on: »
Greatly appreciated.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Waltham Forest Code 34 - Being in a Bus Lane
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Decision Date 27 Mar 2024
Adjudicator Monica Hillen
Appeal decision Appeal allowed
Direction
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Enforcement Notice.

Reasons
The case was scheduled for a personal appeal on 26 March at 14.30. Mr **** did not attend, his representative did so, Mr Morgan. The Enforcement Authority was not represented.

Mr Morgan served a Notice on the Enforcement Authority requiring the attendance of two witnesses, L Maynard and S Lloyd the latter being the officer who looked at the CCTV evidence and made a written statement [which did not identify the camera].

The Notice was served on the Council on 16 March 2023 and acknowledged. The Enforcement Authority informed the Tribunal on 19 March they were not obliged to attend.

The Notice of Rejection set out the rights of the Appellant with regard to the evidence for an appeal.

“If you appeal we will send you a copy of all our evidence as soon as possible and must provide you with a copy of any DVD, photograph or digital image that we want the Adjudicator to consider at least seven days before the scheduled date of the hearing.

However, if you serve a notice on us not less than three days before the hearing date, we cannot rely on such evidence without the person(s) who signed them attending. The three[1]day limit may be varied by the Adjudicator in special circumstances.”

As the relevant witness did not attend the camera evidence is not admissible. The appeal is allowed.


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2240089033

Dear Sirs

I make the following submissions on behalf of the appellant:

1. The council has adduced no valid primary evidence to prove its case.
2. Similarly, its Notice of Rejection contains little information which is of any evidential value.
3. Lastly, neither does the Witness Statement prove its case.

In light of the above, I ask that the appeal be allowed.


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Congratulations for staying the course.  ;)
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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

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Re: Waltham Forest Code 34 - Being in a Bus Lane
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: Waltham Forest Code 34 - Being in a Bus Lane
« Reply #42 on: »
Thanks cp.  I have to state that this was a hard won case.  If another adjudicator had heard it, it would have been a formality.  I shall say nothing more. But, one of our loyal members observed.  8) Of course, I am just a dilettante.

We are all just human. But, I am not paid to know the law!

I know that I am fully prepared to present my case but, paradoxically, in full knowledge that the unknown unknowns may well apply in view of some adjudicators' lack of knowing what they ought to know through no fault of their own.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2024, 09:02:32 pm by Hippocrates »
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r