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Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
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Guys, thanks for all the discussion but I do feel like I am being judged here more than being helped, which is what I was recommened to come here for.
By judged, I mean, people seem to be looking for things that arent there.
Regarding car tax....you don't have to purchase a minimum of 6 months - you can buy car tax on a direct debit , for example if you were to tax your car today - the data will show it's valid until October 2025, but you are still paying monthly and can cancel it / sorn it at any point and data will reflect that month of cancelled tax.
In my case, I was in and out of the country for the past year, however was in the UK beginning of 2024 until April 2024, when I bought the car, obviously registered it to my UK address, but got offered a job abroad a few weeks later and decided to take the car with me. Car Tax was on a direct debit and completely forgot to cancel/sort it in April, so only done this in July, hence it is showing July. Straightforward.

Secondly, there was no PCN's that arrived to my UK address from TfL, as I mentioned in my first post, that we did have problems with post during the summer period, once a week postal service or non at all at time.
The first I heard about this fine was the CDER letter that come to my UK address, hence why I am here to ask for advice on how to deal with it now.
Should any letters arrived from TfL, of course the fine would have been paid as I know that my ignorance to ULEZ is my fault, but I was not given the opportunity to deal with it.

Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
« Reply #31 on: »
Sorry about all the "third degree, hard cop, soft cop" stuff, but its very important to get answers and a full view of the situation if useful advice is to be given.

The bottom line for me is that the debt is still outstanding. Nothing I have read so far tells me anything that will result in the debt being extinguished. OK, the bailiffs may go back to the council and tell them "we can't enforce the debt, sorry", and the council then write it off, but they're not going to tell you they have done this. So you might come back to the UK in the future  and suddenly get different bailiffs at your door when you thought it had all gone away.
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Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
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Sorry about all the "third degree, hard cop, soft cop" stuff, but its very important to get answers and a full view of the situation if useful advice is to be given.

The bottom line for me is that the debt is still outstanding. Nothing I have read so far tells me anything that will result in the debt being extinguished. OK, the bailiffs may go back to the council and tell them "we can't enforce the debt, sorry", and the council then write it off, but they're not going to tell you they have done this. So you might come back to the UK in the future  and suddenly get different bailiffs at your door when you thought it had all gone away.
Just seems extremely unfair due to no fault of my own, I am now dealing with Bailiffs and a significant amount of money. If I was given the opportunity to pay the original fine, should I have known about it, would have been sorted in no time. Seems like the whole system is set up to get people into debt with Bailiffs.

Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
« Reply #33 on: »
what did dvla do/say when you declared the car for export?
re the tax I would have thought you would get automatic cancellation if it was being exported??
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Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
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I suggest that the OP phones TFL to confirm the address used on the PCN, Charge Cert and Order for Recovery. Was it Mum's address or was it some other address? Probably be hard work to find out but three documents lost in the post suggests they weren't sent to Mum's address. The alternative being that they were ignored.

And clarity with dates would help.
10th April 2024 the V5c was updated. Is that the purchase date of the car or what?
21st April 2024 the car was allegedly driven into the ULEZ zone.
Did the car leave the ULEZ on the same day?
Then the car was exported. But when? June 2024 or was it April 10th 2024?

Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
« Reply #35 on: »
maripop00

You may resolve this swiftly and decisively.

Your mother should make a statutory declaration affirming that she has no association with the debtor and is the sole owner of the property, including any vehicles therein.

Once the declaration is formally sworn, serve it upon TfL and the bailiff company, ensuring you obtain a certificate of posting for proof of service.

This action will extricate your mother's address from the enforcement proceedings, allowing you to disengage entirely.

While others may delve into the minutiae of postal issues, suggesting you pursue extensive correspondence with TfL and compile timelines, such efforts will likely prove unproductive.

This pragmatic approach focuses on an expeditious and definitive solution that aligns with your objective. It is about taking direct, impactful action to resolve matters swiftly and effectively without unnecessary complications.
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Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
« Reply #36 on: »
OP, your account is still unclear. We are trying to help but this is a legal process and until we know what's what IMO it's asking too much to get the appropriate advice in the circumstances if we don't know what these are.

You keep referring to 'your UK address'. You also refer to living 'in Cheshire'. You also referred to 'we have difficulty with the Royal Mail'(presumably at your Cheshire address), in addition you refer to 'your mother's address' and then we have bailiffs attending a premises where your mother lives.

As so many others have said and what I understand is the basis of Pressman's post* and my previous suggestion regarding your mother's position:

The DVLA keeper address is/was A;
A is your mother's permanent address, but not your's/A is your Cheshire address and your mother lives elsewhere/A is neither?


@Pressman:
Your mother should make a statutory declaration affirming that she has no association with the debtor and is the sole owner of the property, including any vehicles therein.

IMO, we still do not know this to be true from the OP's account. It might be, but we cannot know from the OP's account. Recommending submission of a legal notice when determinate issues are unknown is placing the OP's mother in even more of a predicament.

And as per Enceladus, this doesn't resolve the OP's problem as regards the debt.

Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
« Reply #37 on: »
Understanding that Maripop00 is overseas and beyond the jurisdiction of debt enforcement, we must focus on solutions within our expertise. We excel in assisting individuals to resolve their issues through the appropriate legislation; therefore, I recommended submitting a statutory declaration as a proactive measure.


It's perfectly acceptable for Maripop00 to leave the matter and allow TFL and its company to proceed independently. They possess the full authority of Parliament and the legal profession to recover unpaid traffic debts, and it's not our responsibility to advocate on their behalf. I understand this board is dedicated to supporting drivers rather than authorities.

Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
« Reply #38 on: »
Looking at this from a distance, the debt must be part of the £380 million uncollected fines for ULEZ contraventions, so this is either the biggest well of work for bailiffs ever, or a huge potential write-off for TfL. Let's hope maripop00's case is put into the "too difficult" basket !

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ced1dg42n5zo
« Last Edit: October 23, 2024, 12:01:21 pm by Incandescent »

Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
« Reply #39 on: »
A leaked article from the Civil Enforcement Agents Association's newsletter to its bailiff company members, re-shared on the Telegram app, revealed that bailiff companies successfully recover only one-third of traffic debt cases assigned to them.

Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
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A leaked article from the Civil Enforcement Agents Association's newsletter to its bailiff company members, re-shared on the Telegram app, revealed that bailiff companies successfully recover only one-third of traffic debt cases assigned to them.
Which I would think is mostly London. Almost all the threads we get on here are about London councils or TfL.  There needs to be serious reform of the system to stop councils just using PCNs as a Magic Money Tree.

Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
« Reply #41 on: »
maripop00

You may resolve this swiftly and decisively.

Your mother should make a statutory declaration affirming that she has no association with the debtor and is the sole owner of the property, including any vehicles therein.

Once the declaration is formally sworn, serve it upon TfL and the bailiff company, ensuring you obtain a certificate of posting for proof of service.

This action will extricate your mother's address from the enforcement proceedings, allowing you to disengage entirely.

While others may delve into the minutiae of postal issues, suggesting you pursue extensive correspondence with TfL and compile timelines, such efforts will likely prove unproductive.

This pragmatic approach focuses on an expeditious and definitive solution that aligns with your objective. It is about taking direct, impactful action to resolve matters swiftly and effectively without unnecessary complications.


Why would maripop00 mother make a statutory declaration affirming that she has no association with the debtor and is the sole owner of the property, including any vehicles therein?
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A simple email to the enforcement agent company from maripop00 mother should suffice, usually proof of age / disability and a council tax bill suffices proving she solely is resident at the property in question.

That would appear to resolve the issue swiftly hassle free
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unless maripop00 wants it resolved differently. I can't understand how a stat dec from maripop00 mother would be accepted by TEC considering she's not the Respondent. Surely her stat dec, in that case, would most likely be returned.
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Guys, thanks for all the discussion but I do feel like I am being judged here more than being helped, which is what I was recommened to come here for.
By judged... but I was not given the opportunity to deal with it.

You are going to get judge by people whose tireless inputs and efforts are repeatedly and endlessly getting judged by local / charging authorities, adjudicators, enforcement agents and so on.
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Ultimately, if you can evidence, that you was not served PCN and or NTO or reminder of PCN/NTO then this must be declared and evidence provided and the court can order the PCN revert back to the original PCN price.
If you can evidence, that you was not served, and within a certain timeframe, the Order and Form (Order for Recovery and Stat Dec/Witness Statement) that is a breach of the CPR Rules.
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Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
« Reply #42 on: »
maripop00

You may resolve this swiftly and decisively.

I would like to say thank you to Pressman for your help, the drafted letter on the first page of this topic has resulted in the fine being cancelled altogether.
Thanks to everyone else for their input



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Re: Ulez Fine now CDER Bailiff
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Very well done indeed ! We don't see this very often.
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