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Hi all,
I have been issued a ticket by "South Essex parking partnership". Near Broomfield hospital. The street has no yellow or white lines, no bays or signs where I parked. But I noticed that at the entrance of the street, there is a sign which says "Permit holders only beyond this point except marked bays". I didn't see that sign before I got the ticket. Do I have a defence.
The link below has the pictures of location and the PCN.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/RDVQDT34bXGWMF7a7

This is the image from GSV. But this isn't updated. The new sign is installed where the old one is covered in the black plastic sheet
https://maps.app.goo.gl/jsGU59Yr83dp8Zkm9

This is the picture of the PCN
https://photos.app.goo.gl/rNmy35UMEMrNief3A

I have taken pictures of the area.
Below is the link.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/9r2VYz64iTBYDzHn7
The street has two entrances and both have the sign which says Permit holders only except in bays. But there are no bays on the street or any yellow or white line. The only bays are In front of the flats, which have a separate sign of private land. I have attached the picture of the sign too.
Below is the link to a screenshot from Google maps, where I have marked where the entrance is and where are the bays. I have also attached a picture of the signs when we exit the street.

Here is the link to map's screenshot

https://photos.app.goo.gl/HM96zkBhXDV7ybcM6

Any help would be appreciated. I have only few days left to appeal

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Re: Ticket issued in PPA
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The entry signs are very clear, so it's puzzling you missed them.  I'll bet there are no "marked bays" though. An appeal based on signage could be argued on the basis of there being no repeater signs once the entry signs are passed.
Are there no repeater signs ?

Other equally valid arguments can be developed on the basis of (1) fatal errors in the PCN (2) the TRO establishing the zone being incorrectly drawn up, and (3) failure to consider representations assuming you submit them, rather than paying up straight away.

Your photos of the PCN are no good, we need to see all of the two pages, nice and flat so we can see everything. Appeals have been won many, many, times on fatal errors in PCNs

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Here are the pictures of the PCN


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The entry signs are very clear, so it's puzzling you missed them.  I'll bet there are no "marked bays" though. An appeal based on signage could be argued on the basis of there being no repeater signs once the entry signs are passed.
Are there no repeater signs ?

There are no repeater signs

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There are private parking signs in your photos which suggest the land is private and the council cannot enforce but lets see the council photos of where you parked

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There are private parking signs in your photos which suggest the land is private and the council cannot enforce but lets see the council photos of where you parked

These are the photos of where I parked. The only bays there are have this private land notice. So, although the sign says "except in bay" there are no bays
https://photos.app.goo.gl/RDVQDT34bXGWMF7a7

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@Merc220 you have until 4 September to preserve the discount, but rather that going in blind it's best to know what evidence the council has. The Essex parking partnerships don't put the photos online, so you will need to contact them and ask them to email you the photos. In the meantime I will get hold of the traffic order.

Also if you could plot on a map where your car was and where the private parking sign was, that would be very helpful.

Map tiles:

https://store.traffweb.app/essex/documents/parkmap/msched/TL700%20112_rv1_1.pdf
https://store.traffweb.app/essex/documents/parkmap/msched/TL705%20112_rv1_1.pdf
« Last Edit: August 29, 2023, 06:09:31 pm by cp8759 »
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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@Merc220 you have until 4 September to preserve the discount, but rather that going in blind it's best to know what evidence the council has. The Essex parking partnerships don't put the photos online, so you will need to contact them and ask them to email you the photos. In the meantime I will get hold of the traffic order.

Also if you could plot on a map where your car was and where the private parking sign was, that would be very helpful.

Map tiles:

https://store.traffweb.app/essex/documents/parkmap/msched/TL700%20112_rv1_1.pdf
https://store.traffweb.app/essex/documents/parkmap/msched/TL705%20112_rv1_1.pdf
Thank you, I will try to get the pictures.
I am attaching the marked screenshot
Also, how do I ask for pictures. There is no email address

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« Last Edit: August 29, 2023, 06:41:06 pm by Merc220 »

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The email and phone number to contact them is at https://www.parkingpartnership.org/south/

Also, can you please mark on the map where this sign is located?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KQbBpsnVYrtUYa4c6
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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I have marked the location of sign in blue

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The traffic order is The Essex County Council (Chelmsford City) (Prohibition of Waiting, Loading and Stopping) and (On-Street Parking Places) (Civil Enforcement Area) Consolidation Order 2019 as varied by The Essex County Council (Chelmsford City) (Prohibition of Waiting, Loading and Stopping) and (On-Street Parking Places) (Civil Enforcement Area) (Amendment  No.15) Order 2022.

The location of the signage makes the contravention clear-cut, so at least that's out of the way. The fact that you might not have appreciated the meaning of the signs is obviously irrelevant, and they were quite close to your car so there's no obvious defence to the contravention.

The best argument I can see is around the wording of the PCN, which I would suggest is duplicitous, I would therefore suggest a representation as follows:

Dear Essex County Council,

I challenge liability for PCN XP16750516 on the basis of a procedural impropriety, namely that the PCN fails to adequately particularise the alleged wrongdoing. The wording of the penalty charge lists no less than 6 possible contraventions, and it is impossible to tell from the PCN what it is that I am alleged to have done.

In support of this, I refer you to the following decisions:

Andrew David Rush v London Borough of Southwark (2120562288, 05 January 2013): (link)
Natalie van Dijk v London Borough of Islington (2150275729, 23 September 2015): (link)
Marian Bostan v City of London (2170116728, 13 April 2017): (link)

In light of the above, the PCN must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

I will send you the links to be added to the representation by private message, do not click on the links.

The reason being that if by the time you get the rejection the click count is still zero, we can prove that they have failed to consider the representations.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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The email and phone number to contact them is at https://www.parkingpartnership.org/south/

Also, can you please mark on the map where this sign is located?

https://photos.app.goo.gl/KQbBpsnVYrtUYa4c6

I have got the pictures from the council


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@Merc220 the council photos confirm that the contravention itself is not open to dispute.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

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@Merc220 the council photos confirm that the contravention itself is not open to dispute.
Okay, I will go ahead an challenge the PCN

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The cited cases are all based in London whereas this PCN relates to outside Greater London.

IMO, an argument around 'Setting Charges' and Annex B to the SoS's Stat Guidance can also be made now that the higher and lower level contraventions and use of suffixes are set in this guidance and not by the previous SI which has been repealed.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/civil-enforcement-of-parking-contraventions/guidance-for-local-authorities-on-enforcing-parking-restrictions#setting-charges

The guidance is issued to 'local authorities' (which also have 'civil parking enforcement powers') not parking partnerships. IMO, the local authority in whose area the contravention occurred has to have had regard to the guidance and similarly is the only body which may determine the exercise of discretion.