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Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« Reply #15 on: »
Yes. Have you any points re the actual contravention signage?

No, I haven't

Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« Reply #16 on: »
Yes. Have you any points re the actual contravention signage?
When I looked at this thread in late December, I got the route wrong. Then when the OP confirmed his route, it became clear that there was an advance sign and the restriction signs, so they looked "adequate", see here: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/72UKGDT54JQU2xFZ8

I suppose one could argue about the adequacy of just putting up a Left Turn arrow; better to have a larger sign with the layout ahead indicating where to go.

Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« Reply #17 on: »
Yes. Have you any points re the actual contravention signage?
When I looked at this thread in late December, I got the route wrong. Then when the OP confirmed his route, it became clear that there was an advance sign and the restriction signs, so they looked "adequate", see here: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/72UKGDT54JQU2xFZ8

I suppose one could argue about the adequacy of just putting up a Left Turn arrow; better to have a larger sign with the layout ahead indicating where to go.

Thanks @Incandescent. Any suggestions from you or @Hippocrates on how best to word this for the representation please? Or anything else that I can add. Thanks

Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« Reply #18 on: »
Thanks to @Hippocrates, I challenged the PCN as follows:

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"I make this formal representation against the PCN:

There was no contravention because a motorist must be given wholly correct information when to pay the reduced or full amounts sought. However, there is a clear disconnect between the law and what is stated on your website.

In light of the above, please cancel the PCN."

However, it's been refused and today (3 March 2026) I've received this from Lambeth:

https://ibb.co/album/0ywr86

What are your thoughts on appealing this?
« Last Edit: March 03, 2026, 12:11:58 pm by timewilltell »

Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« Reply #19 on: »
I know I use The Invisible Man image as a logo but even I cannot see their NOR.  ;D

I hazard a guess that they have not even considered the point?  "We have carefully considered...."  "Yours sincerely, Barbour Logic"  ?
« Last Edit: March 03, 2026, 12:08:30 pm by Hippocrates »
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« Reply #20 on: »
I know I use The Invisible Man image as a logo but even I cannot see their NOR.  ;D

;D  @Hippocrates
For some reason, the images aren't embedding. I'm doing exactly the same as I always do so will keep trying...
« Last Edit: March 03, 2026, 12:32:08 pm by timewilltell »

Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« Reply #21 on: »
I know I use The Invisible Man image as a logo but even I cannot see their NOR.  ;D

;D  @Hippocrates
For some reason, the images aren't embedding. I'm doing exactly the same as I always do so will keep trying...

@Hippocrates embedding isn't working at all so I've added a link to an album of 7 images. Click on 'oldest' and you'll see the pages in the correct order. Hope that works for you!

https://ibb.co/album/0ywr86

Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« Reply #22 on: »
For convenience:







No signature or officer's name on page 3.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2026, 04:30:09 pm by John U.K. »

Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« Reply #23 on: »
Much appreciated @John U.K. 👍🏼

Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« Reply #24 on: »
For convenience:





No signature or officer's name on page 3.

@Hippocrates were you able to see all the images? The 2 above and the remainder in the folder here:

https://ibb.co/album/0ywr86

Thanks for your help!

Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« Reply #25 on: »
Yes. Tribunal time?
I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"

Re: Lambeth, Code 52 - no motor vehicles, Kennington Oval
« Reply #26 on: »
Yes. Tribunal time?

Unsure on this one. What are my chances? Are they likely to cancel because of the website/discrepancies? I don't want to pay £160 :-\