Author Topic: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31  (Read 3438 times)

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Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
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I think that's a good sign - suggests that you are still in the first 14 days on TFL's paused clock.

Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
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I reckon it's manually done and someone has forgot to remove the on hold status  ;D

Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
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@Incandescent @RichardW

Any thoughts on the appeal?

I am concsious of time

Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
« Reply #48 on: »
I would go with Mr Chips suggested reps. I would think the excessive size of the YBJ is the strongest point, so that needs to be first.

Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
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So I've just swapped points 1 and 2.

Does it look OK

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I wish to submit representations against this PCN on the basis that the contravention did not occur.

1)  The box junction markings at the junction of Kennington Lane and South Lambeth Place which my vehicle stopped within extend well beyond the road junction itself; I estimate by at least 5 metres. As the requirements are for the markings to be placed at a junction between two or more roads, I contend that the markings are not compliant, and indeed are not even substantially compliant with this requirement. From the video footage, my vehicle stops with approximately the rear half only within the box junction.  If the box junction markings were sited only adjacent to the junction between these two roads, my vehicle would have been clear.

Please also find attached separate pictures which evidence this point.

2) Notwithstanding the point above, under the TSRGD 2016, a box junction (of this type) must be situated at a junction between two or more roads. The PCN concerns an alleged box junction contravention at "Kennington Lane / Albert Embankment".  Having consulted Google Maps, I cannot locate a box junction at the intersection of the two roads stated on the PCN. The box junction concerned in this case is several metres beyond the point where Albert Embankment meets Kennington Lane, and is actually sited at the junction of Kennington Lane and South Lambeth Place. As such the contravention alleged on the PCN inherently did not occur.

3) Some of the wording in the PCN does not appear to be compliant with the specific requirements of the LLA 2003.  Specifically the law states:

"A penalty charge notice under this section must state ...

(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;

(iv)that if the penalty charge is paid before the end of the period of 14 days beginning with the date of the notice, the amount of the penalty charge will be reduced by the specified proportion;

(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable;"

This PCN states "If you fail to pay the penalty charge ... before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of service of this notice, a Charge Certificate may be issued to you increasing the penalty charge payable to £240.00..."

The date of service is different to the date of the notice and thus the mandated wording in part (v) is not included.

For these reasons, please cancel the PCN.

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Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
« Reply #50 on: »
I've submitted it now as I didn't want to wait any longer.

I just submitted as if it was the driver (my mum) and not on behalf.

That is fine, right?

Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
« Reply #51 on: »
Was your mum whom the original PCN was addressed to? If so that will be fine.

Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
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Correct, she is the owner and registered keeper of the vehicle.

Now, we wait

Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
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TfL responded within a day, but it went to my mother's junk folder for some reason.

I'll post the response tomorrow as I need to sleep soon and simply do not posess the energy to faff around with uploading docs, but just thought I'd post this update anyway

Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
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Seems like they conveniently ignored the location issue despite acknowledging that it was brought up, lol

Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
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It's the usual Fob-Off letter, most of it boiler-plate text, and whilst stating your reps, then just ignores them.

Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
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All TFL NORs seem to now include a paragraph at the start summarising the representations. I'm fairly convinced that bit is drafted by AI to allow them to rebut any accusations that they did not fulfill their duty to consider reps.

Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
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All TFL NORs seem to now include a paragraph at the start summarising the representations. I'm fairly convinced that bit is drafted by AI to allow them to rebut any accusations that they did not fulfill their duty to consider reps.
Except they don't consider them. The rest of the text doesn't attempt to rebut the representations, being just a load of boiler-plate text giving chapter and verse on yellow box junctions.

Re: TFL Yellow Box PCN - CC 31
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So now the question is, is it worth taking them to tribunal?

I currently have a tribunal date for a southwark pcn, for which i still need to put an evidence pack together, and I have a bus lane pcn for which I am waiting the enforcement notice, and I presume that will also be going to tribunal, so, I mean.