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Re: TFL - Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
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OP, you posted: 'Needing to appeal this on behalf of a family member.'

Who is the registered keeper;
And if not you, how did you get the DVD?

You posted: 'Right so this is an absolute shambles,'

Looks like it!
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I challenge this PCN on the basis that TFL can not enforce PCNs on red route bays therefore this PCN is invalid.
What do you base this statement on ?
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Quote from: Neil B on January 24, 2024, 12:53:09 pm
Do you have a PCN now then??

I haven't. I was checking on the TFL website for when the PCN goes back down to £80 and I called to request for the DVD.
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Quote from: H C Andersen on January 24, 2024, 04:43:04 pm

OP, you posted: 'Needing to appeal this on behalf of a family member.'

Who is the registered keeper;
And if not you, how did you get the DVD?

You posted: 'Right so this is an absolute shambles,'

Looks like it!

Registered keeper is my mother. We live at the same address.
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Re: TFL - Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
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@privates the High Court has overturned the tribunal judgment on red route bays, so they can enforce using CCTV.

What I'm not clear on is whether you've got a PCN?

Also, can you please post the video?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: TFL - Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
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I do not have the PCN.

The DVD shows me going into the shop for a coffee and returning. I had thought this was for shopping as we shop from the shop on this road too but that is not the case.

I will upload this in a few hours and send the link here
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Quote from: cp8759 on February 01, 2024, 10:49:55 pm
@privates the High Court has overturned the tribunal judgment on red route bays, so they can enforce using CCTV.

What I'm not clear on is whether you've got a PCN?

Also, can you please post the video?

I have received a OFR for this today after stupidily forgetting about this PCN! I really hope we can still do something about this PCN..

I have the DVD which I will upload shortly and the original PCN I hadn't received.. Is there still any hope regarding this?
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Quote from: privates on March 21, 2024, 10:58:11 pm
I have the DVD which I will upload shortly and the original PCN I hadn't received.. Is there still any hope regarding this?
@privates well you are not really giving yourself the best chance here.

As I have told you time and time again, you are responsible for staying on top of things and making sure deadlines are not missed, neither we nor Transport for London can do that for you.

You're going to have to send another witness statement to TEC on the ground that you did not get the PCN, then as soon as the PCN goes back down to £80 make a representation saying the contravention did not occur (do not wait to get the PCN in the post, you don't need it to make a representation).

Also, where's the video? You told us you'd upload it last week?
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Quote from: cp8759 on March 31, 2024, 01:18:20 pm
Quote from: privates on March 21, 2024, 10:58:11 pm
I have the DVD which I will upload shortly and the original PCN I hadn't received.. Is there still any hope regarding this?
@privates well you are not really giving yourself the best chance here.

As I have told you time and time again, you are responsible for staying on top of things and making sure deadlines are not missed, neither we nor Transport for London can do that for you.

You're going to have to send another witness statement to TEC on the ground that you did not get the PCN, then as soon as the PCN goes back down to £80 make a representation saying the contravention did not occur (do not wait to get the PCN in the post, you don't need it to make a representation).

Also, where's the video? You told us you'd upload it last week?

Here is the link for the footage -


Also for the TE9 which solicitor office can I go to for them to sign the statement? I have tried to look for one as county court is difficult to get through too
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Quote from: privates on April 19, 2024, 07:58:03 pm
Here is the link for the footage
@privates your link doesn't work, try using youtube instead.

Quote from: privates on April 19, 2024, 07:58:03 pm
Also for the TE9 which solicitor office can I go to for them to sign the statement? I have tried to look for one as county court is difficult to get through too
As I mention on your other thread, you don't need a solicitor for form TE9, you just fill it in, type your name into the signature box and email it to tec@justice.gov.uk

My only fear is that it's taken you week to reply to this thread and you might have missed the deadline again, please submit the form tonight!
« Last Edit: April 22, 2024, 07:15:47 pm by cp8759 »
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: TFL - Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
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Quote from: cp8759 on April 22, 2024, 07:13:31 pm
Quote from: privates on April 19, 2024, 07:58:03 pm
Here is the link for the footage
@privates your link doesn't work, try using youtube instead.

Quote from: privates on April 19, 2024, 07:58:03 pm
Also for the TE9 which solicitor office can I go to for them to sign the statement? I have tried to look for one as county court is difficult to get through too
As I mention on your other thread, you don't need a solicitor for form TE9, you just fill it in, type your name into the signature box and email it to tec@justice.gov.uk

My only fear is that it's taken you week to reply to this thread and you might have missed the deadline again, please submit the form tonight!

This PCN is again at its first stage. I have attached the PCN below -

https://ibb.co/109jQqZ
https://ibb.co/MGNTN9r
https://ibb.co/2y4xtNs
https://ibb.co/pvB3Mgv

I will attempt to upload the video to YouTube now.

Thank you.
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Here is the video uploaded to YouTube as requested..
« Last Edit: September 26, 2024, 09:16:46 pm by privates »
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Re: TFL - Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway)
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@privates there are a multitude of issues with TFL PCNs at the moment, so just make a representation saying that the contravention did not occur, and let me know when you get the notice of rejection.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Quote from: cp8759 on September 26, 2024, 08:49:44 pm
@privates there are a multitude of issues with TFL PCNs at the moment, so just make a representation saying that the contravention did not occur, and let me know when you get the notice of rejection.

Notice of rejection has been received
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Please post the NoR -all sides, only redact yr name & address.
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