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HI
I received this ticket today, is there any way to challenge it.

Kind regards

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Re: TFL / Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) / Stamford hill - Hacney
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Challenging it is easy, there should be instructions on how to do that on the PCN... winning it on the other hand might not be so easy. We need more to go on to provide more useful help. I suggest you start by finding the exact  location on Google Street View and then posting the link here, so we can see what signage there is. Showing us the rest of the PCN would also be good, so we can check for errors.
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We need to know exactly where you were parked/stopped, because the PCN shows you were there for nearly 2 hours.
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Hi
I forgot to attached the google view link. Here it is:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/SEbdnyF3sB2BjPWr9

I was parked on the left side. (near the hat shop).

I was parked there over an hour. I am asking if there is any ground I can base my challenge of.

Thank you all very much for your help.

Kind regards
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Re: TFL / Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) / Stamford hill - Hacney
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Sign says No Stopping 7am to 7pm, then outside that parking allowed for one hour.
You look bang-to-rights, frankly.  Did you read the sign ?
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Incandescent the restriction is actually 7 am to 7 pm, there is no restriction at all outside of those hours (confirmed by the white bay markings, which can only be used where stopping is permitted at all times when the red route is in operation.

@Avrumy here you go:

Dear Transport for London,

The alleged contravention did not occur. Stopping is permitted at this location, it might be that a PCN could have been issued for code 30 "Parked for longer than permitted" but of course that would be a lower level contravention.

I refer you to the tribunal decision in Spencer Weems v Transport for London (2180331206, 22 September 2018).

It follows that the alleged contravention did not occur, and the penalty demanded exceeds the amount duly set by law.

Yours faithfully,

Make representations via the TfL website and make sure to keep a screenshot of the confirmation page.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: TFL / Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) / Stamford hill - Hacney
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Thank you very much @cp8759 .
I appealed as you instructed and will keep you posted.

Kind regards
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Re: TFL / Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) / Stamford hill - Hacney
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The mindboggling intricacies of parking in London never cease to amaze me ! How on earth is the ordinary motorist to keep up to speed on them !
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Re: TFL / Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) / Stamford hill - Hacney
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Hi
I received the attached letter by post, refusing to cancel the PCN.

@cp8759 , can you please advice how to continue with it?

Kind regards

Avrumy

P.S. I received another PCN, same reason on the same place, can I just appeal it again as advice before?
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I received the attached letter by post, refusing to cancel the PCN.

and the letter??
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Sorry. I forgot to upload it. Here it is.

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Just wait for the notice to owner and let us know once you've got it.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: TFL / Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) / Stamford hill - Hacney
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Quote from: cp8759 on December 14, 2023, 04:53:48 pm
Just wait for the notice to owner and let us know once you've got it.

@cp8759

Received the notice to owner today, uploaded here.

Please guide me further.

Thanks a mill in advance for your help, always.

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Draft reps:

Dear Transport for London,

For the reasons explained at (LINK) the PCN is invalid and must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

I will PM you a link to put in the representation, it will redirect to here but if you give them the link I'll PM you, we can use the click count to confirm whether they've looked at it or not (obviously do not click on that link yourself as we want the click count to remain at zero). If they don't click on it, we can then prove they've failed to consider all of the evidence. If they say in the rejection that they've considered all the evidence, we've got them for lying as well.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: TFL / Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway) / Stamford hill - Hacney
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TFL luvs you cp!
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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