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Good morning
Received a PCN for contravention 31.
From the pictures.
I was right at the end of the junction box but the car in front stopped even though he/she had room to move forward.
Video evidence is NOT on the website only photographic evidence.
How do I proceed with this. Also on the paper PCN the amount is different to the one shown on the website..

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How do I proceed with this.

Please post the other 3 sides of the PCN.

Telephone TfL and ask for the video to be sent to you, and the PCN to be placed on hold whil;e you wait for the DVD.



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Also on the paper PCN the amount is different to the one shown on the website..

Please post a screenshot of the website.

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Please see attached the remaining  parts of the PCN.
And the screenshot showing £80 charge..

Thanks
Hashim

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We need to see the video to determine if the contravention actually occurred. So please request the video from TFL as per the advice above from John U.K.

The penalty charge is £160, however discounted by 50% if paid within 14 days beginning with the date of the notice. That's why the TFL website says £80 outstanding.
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Just contacted Tfl to request the video evidence. They have put it on hold for 14 days from today. Will update once received.
Quite right it is £80. Didn't read it properly...

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Just contacted Tfl to request the video evidence. They have put it on hold for 14 days from today. Will update once received.
Quite right it is £80. Didn't read it properly...
They put the PCN on hold for a fixed 14 days. If you haven't received the DVD after about 10 days, check with TfL it has been sent out. Don't just wait and wait, because the mail can get delayed, but the 14 days will end and the enforcement process start-up again even if you haven't received the DVD.

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Please see attached the video evidence..

Thanks

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We need to see the video, not just a frame from it.

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I could not upload the mkv file so i converted it to a PNG file, didn't realise it was a still frame, can you suggest what file gives a whole video rather than just still images please.

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Tried with this..

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I'm afraid the video does seem to show a contravention. They are now using two cameras, one a detail view of numberplats and an overview camera showing the vehicles entering the yellow box. You have to go to 1m 22 secs into the video to see your car enter the box then stop for rather too long to be de minimis

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What about the over stretched junction box on that side compared to the opposite side which serves no purpose as it does not restrict traffic flow..

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I'm viewing this on my phone so only a small screen but for me the end where your wife stopped is so far in the distance, and the view blocked by a tall lamppost, it's unclear for what reason she had to stop.  TFL are required to prove (on balance of probabilities) that she had to stop due to stationary vehicles - so does the video adequately demonstrate that the vehicle in front is completely stationary, and that there wasn't enough space in front of her for your wife to move forward and clear the box?

Perhaps it does on a bigger screen...

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@Hashim this might be one for the strategy of last resort, is there any mitigation that can be advanced?
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What about the length of the junction box going beyond the junction of 2 roads. I found this:

This box extends beyond the junction and the extended area serves no purpose. Schedule 7, Part 9, 11 (6) of the TSRGD 2016 sets out the permitted locations for yellow boxes and this states it must be "(a) at a junction between two or more roads"  The attached image shows that this box extends beyond the junction and is thus not "at" a junction. Please see case references 2170285940 as an example of a previous case won on this point in which the adjudicator stated: "A “box junction” means an area of the carriageway where the marking has been placed and which is at a junction between two or more roads. Markings which extends beyond the junction of two or more roads do not therefore mark out a box junction covered by the prohibition. I am in no way suggesting that the Authority has to be inch perfect but, in my view, extending the box junction by a car length or more beyond the actual junction is neither compliant nor substantially compliant with requirements.”


Together with the fact that the camera does not show whether there is any obstruction in traffic beyond what can be seen.

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