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TfL PCN 50r Performing a prohibited turn (No right turn)
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Received this in the mail yesterday.

Does anyone know if there is any relevant grounds to challenge this PCN?

Rather not pay the £160 (£80 if paid within 14 days).

https://imgpile.com/p/68guylG#DJdL9Ty

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Google Street View location:

https://maps.app.goo.gl/Kq2tWxvsX8HvxtSm9

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Re: TfL PCN 50r Performing a prohibited turn (No right turn)
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So you were trying to defeat the no right turn at the lights or did you turn left at the junction and then right?
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The No Right Turn applies to the road the OP took, see here the two NRT signs : -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/iBcNcpSRExT9KauU7

Can this be the restriction the OP was trying to circumvent ?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/LeAqgcHb6VkfuFwL9

I see nothing in the circumstances to indicate any solid appeal argument, although there may be a 'technical' appeal argument, but I'm not an expert on TfL PCNs and enforcement process. See here: -
https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/tfl-red-route-postal-pcns/
« Last Edit: October 22, 2025, 07:21:36 pm by Incandescent »
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Good morning Stamfordman,

I was attempting to defeat the no right turn.

Previously the road markings & signage clearly stated that only buses could do the right turn at the junction of Prince of Wales Road/Stratheden Road, onto Shooters Hill Road.

So it was a common practice to crossover the junction & traffic permitting, turn right slightly further down on Stratheden Road, into the slip lane that exits onto Shooters Hill Road.

Google Street View location below I think shows the junction before the cctv cameras were installed.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/pNeaAMisZgXnbfed8
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Good morning Incandescent,

Yes that is the restriction I was attempting to circumvent.

Interesting to know if there is a ‘technical’ appeal argument with relation to the PCN.



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Quote from: Rudeboyz on October 28, 2025, 08:05:16 am
Good morning Incandescent,

Yes that is the restriction I was attempting to circumvent.

Interesting to know if there is a ‘technical’ appeal argument with relation to the PCN.

"So it was a common practice to crossover the junction & traffic permitting, turn right slightly further down on Stratheden Road, into the slip lane that exits onto Shooters Hill Road."
So clearly the council have moved to stop that by putting in the NRT signs. The only thing I can think of is, have they updated the traffic order for this junction.
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the advise you are getting is worth nought without sight of the video. You must ask TFL for it then post it on here
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Good morning Incandescent,

Will endeavour to find out if the traffic order for the junction has been updated.
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Good morning Pastmybest,

I have requested the DVD from TfL & been told to expect it within 15 days. Once I receive it, I will post it on here.
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See the first link in my forum profile. PCN is flawed.
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Received the TfL DVD yesterday, which has the footage of me allegedly performing a prohibited turn.

Click link below to play video.

https://imgpile.com/p/Wbsyiwa#tR4w8Oo



 
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Good morning Hippocrates,

Thanks for the tip.  8)
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Does the video show that OP's car is committing a contravention at all?

Part one of video shows OP's car stopped at traffic lights - from whence the registration number is lifted. Black car, make and model indistinguishable.

Part two is from a different camera and shows one of many black cars, in contravention turning right, at a different location.  The registration is unclear.



How does the council prove that they are the same car?
« Last Edit: November 12, 2025, 10:31:54 am by JoCo »
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If you take them to London Tribunals, they will show how the two videos are linked in their evidence pack, (or they should do, if you query this). Be aware that adjudicators work to the civil standard of "on the balance of probabilities", not the criminal standard of "beyond all reasonable doubt".
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Quote from: Incandescent on November 12, 2025, 10:31:18 am
If you take them to London Tribunals, they will show how the two videos are linked in their evidence pack, (or they should do, if you query this). Be aware that adjudicators work to the civil standard of "on the balance of probabilities", not the criminal standard of "beyond all reasonable doubt".

I'm not doubting that they can link the videos.

My point was that all the second video shows is that a black car is in contravention.

How do they establish that the car turning right is the OP's car? 
It's hardly distinctive, and several cars in a row are black.




 


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