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WTF is the '14 day period' for paying the reduced sum?

Anyway, putting this to one side you were observed 'driving through an area...' blah blah.

WTF?

Who cares?

Do they have evidence that at the time stated in the PCN (18.14) your vehicle was driven INTO the zone past the signs?
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Quote from: H C Andersen on April 13, 2025, 10:23:19 pm
WTF is the '14 day period' for paying the reduced sum?
Good point but we would need to show prejudice to make it solid, that can probably be done.

Quote from: H C Andersen on April 13, 2025, 10:23:19 pm
Do they have evidence that at the time stated in the PCN (18.14) your vehicle was driven INTO the zone past the signs?
The allegation isn't entering a zone, but rather passing a motori signs prohibition, so they may well have such evidence. Whether they would produce it at the tribunal is another matter.
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Re: LTN Sign Removed After PCN Issued
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Agreed.

But setting aside the OP's admissions - here at least- there doesn't seem to be evidence of the OP passing into the zone at the time alleged. I take the view that as appeals are against the rejection of reps, then all evidence must be in play at the reps stage and that to introduce key evidence of the facts(as opposed to the legal framework e.g. TMO etc.) after the reps procedure has been completed should not be permitted.

I'm also intrigued by the concept of a double-sided sign!
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Quote from: H C Andersen on April 14, 2025, 07:43:20 am
But setting aside the OP's admissions - here at least- there doesn't seem to be evidence of the OP passing into the zone at the time alleged. I take the view that as appeals are against the rejection of reps, then all evidence must be in play at the reps stage and that to introduce key evidence of the facts(as opposed to the legal framework e.g. TMO etc.) after the reps procedure has been completed should not be permitted.
I think the decision in The Queen on the Application of Bedi v The Traffic Adjudicator [2022] EWHC 1795 kiboshes that point.
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