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Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
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Hi @cp8759 - I have just checked and there's no reference of the NTO being issues, but there is an update on 31 May saying "on hold - DVLA action", I've attached a screenshot below. Any ideas what this might mean?

« Last Edit: June 10, 2024, 09:38:41 am by cp8759 »

Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
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It means they've asked DVLA for the registered keeper's name and address, but have not had a response yet.
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
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Hi @cp8759

I've now had the NTO as per the below, would be grateful if you could advise on nest steps and options available to me.

Thanks as always

https://imgur.com/a/udvZxBV

Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
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Any more pages?
For convenience:




Here you go:








« Last Edit: July 08, 2024, 11:23:19 am by John U.K. »

Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
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Hi @cp8759

I've now had the NTO as per the below, would be grateful if you could advise on nest steps and options available to me.

Thanks as always

https://imgur.com/a/udvZxBV
Please post all pages and all sides

Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
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Hi - sorry I thought they were just generic and not needed, but please see below:






« Last Edit: July 08, 2024, 11:25:18 am by SaschaVW »

Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
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Well in practice there is nothing you could say that would persuade TFL to cancel the PCN voluntarily, this will have to go to the tribunal so that they can be forced to. As you can't take back what you said in the informal representations, you might as well send something short and to the point:

Dear Transport for London,

I require you to reconsider my informal representations afresh.

Yours faithfully,

It looks like you can't make representations online, so you might have to send a letter in the post, in which case you must keep a copy of what you've sent and you must get proof of postage (free at any post office counter).
I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order

Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
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Hi @cp8759,

Many thanks for the advice, I will send the letter as you have advised.

I'm a bit concerned about the mounting fine, conscious it goes up the longer this is outstanding. What do you think my chances are at a tribunal and what is the associated cost of this process?

Thanks for your continued help and support.

Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
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IMO, at present there's no evidence of a statutory defence for you.

The list in an earlier post is purely speculative or prospective and doesn't bear upon the facts as known i.e. you parked in a clearly and properly (as in adequately) marked bay.

1) PCSO uniform not compliant, - speculative as you weren't there and didn't see them;
2) The copy of the PCN that they produce at the tribunal is not a true copy of the original, as per Vanessa Price v Nottingham City Council (NG00044-2201, 7 March 2022) and Tahir Hamid v London Borough of Waltham Forest (2220519865, 9 August 2022)- speculative, it hasn't happened yet;
3) The notice of rejection is ambiguous - similarly speculative.*

TfL often re-offer a discounted sum but whether this is contingent upon the reps being submitted no later than day 14 I'm not sure. If it is then submit reps to arrive no later than Mon. 15th(day 14), which means post first class no later than 11th and get proof of posting.

*- while the speculation might be based on recorded deficiencies in other cases, you should be aware that the same may not apply in your case. Items 2 and 3 would become evident on receipt of a rejection hence why attempting to maintain the discounted level of penalty is important.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2024, 11:55:42 am by H C Andersen »

Re: TFL fine for parking on Red route
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Hi,

Please see below response from TFL - they have not surprisingly rejected my appeal. What do you advice now - shall I  just cut my losses? The outstanding balance remains at £80.

Thanks in advance,







« Last Edit: August 01, 2024, 05:01:51 pm by SaschaVW »