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TFL, code 46 parked on a red route (Loading box) or clearway, Egerton Road N16, Parked after Hours
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Dear All,

I parked in a red route Loading box with restrictions between 7am - 7pm I parked at 20:26 as shown on the PCN.

I emailed TFL with a picture of the sign and my represantion was rejected.



Google street view

(Signage on street view is not upto date)

https://goo.gl/maps/AMzmLFXd39DkiAZ7A



Images from the ticket and rejection notice



















Thank you very much in advance.
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Re: TFL, code 46 parked on a red route (Loading box) or clearway, Egerton Road N16, Parked after Hours
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Sometimes one cannot help wondering if Mr.Milton is on commission from TfL.....

Not only does he ignore your rep., he also ignores the panel decision from London Tribunals.

Rant over!
Please could you post a copy of your reps.
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Re: TFL, code 46 parked on a red route (Loading box) or clearway, Egerton Road N16, Parked after Hours
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I do not have a copy, I logged in online explained I was parked after the restricted hours, and attached the picture of the sign.
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Re: TFL, code 46 parked on a red route (Loading box) or clearway, Egerton Road N16, Parked after Hours
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The only question is, is the signage as posted. If so file your appeal saying only that you rely on your representation to the council and add the picture of the sign and also that you further rely on the panel decision. i do not have it to hand but someone will guide you to it
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Re: TFL, code 46 parked on a red route (Loading box) or clearway, Egerton Road N16, Parked after Hours
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Panel decision:

Commercial Plant Services Ltd and others v Transport for London
Date:
25 May 2023
Case no:
2230060716 + Others
Subject:
CCTV

https://www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/keycases/Red%20Route%20Panel%20Decision.pdf
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Re: TFL, code 46 parked on a red route (Loading box) or clearway, Egerton Road N16, Parked after Hours
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Thank you for your response,

Yes the sign I posted a picture of is the current sign.

I would like to submit now my appeal to London Tribunal whith very basic information.

As follows

1) The contrevantion did not occur as I was parked outside of the restricted hours as is evidenced from sign picture attched.

2) As per panel decision Commercial Plant Services Ltd and others v Transport for London
Date:
25 May 2023
Case no:
2230060716 + Others
Subject:
CCTV

TFL is not allowed to issue a PCN by CCTV.

Do I need to add anything else?

I am very Thankfull to all your help.
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Re: TFL, code 46 parked on a red route (Loading box) or clearway, Egerton Road N16, Parked after Hours
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No that is fine ask for a telephone hearing, this can be changed later more can be added in response to TfL's response
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Re: TFL, code 46 parked on a red route (Loading box) or clearway, Egerton Road N16, Parked after Hours
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Also send an email to generaloffice@administrativecourtoffice.justice.gov.uk and CC Rule6CPRService@tfl.gov.uk

Subject: The King on the application of Transport for London v London Tribunals (Environment and Traffic Adjudicators) - CO/2884/2023

Dear Administrative Court Office,

I am aware that Transport for London is seeking to challenge the decision by a panel of London Tribunals adjudicators in the case of Commercial Plant Services Ltd and others v Transport for London (2230060716, 25 May 2023). I am in receipt of an impacted penalty charge notice issued by Transport for London, which Transport for London seeks to enforce against me and which is currently before the tribunal, I therefore consider that I have a direct interest in the outcome of the judicial review.

I am not in a position to make a formal application on form N244 as the irrecoverable costs would be prohibitive.

Yours faithfully,
« Last Edit: August 29, 2023, 05:15:16 pm by cp8759 »
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: TFL, code 46 parked on a red route (Loading box) or clearway, Egerton Road N16, Parked after Hours
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Do I need to Mention details of my PCN?
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Quote from: stamfordn on August 27, 2023, 03:41:10 pm
Do I need to Mention details of my PCN?
No.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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Done
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Re: TFL, code 46 parked on a red route (Loading box) or clearway, Egerton Road N16, Parked after Hours
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Dear,

 

Thank you for your email,

 

Unfortunately if you wish to be included as an interested party in this case you would need to make a formal application requesting as per; Additionally form EX160 (Help with fees) helps cover court fees if you have difficulties paying them. You can attempt to complete the application and if eligible it will cover the fee of your application.

 

Regards,

Emmanuel Membu * Official *

Administrative Court Office Team Leader | Issues and Enquiries

King’s Bench Division | HMCTS | Royal Courts of Justice| Strand, London | WC2A 2LL

Phone: 020 7947 6655 (Option 6)

Web: www.gov.uk/hmcts

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Re: TFL, code 46 parked on a red route (Loading box) or clearway, Egerton Road N16, Parked after Hours
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I would say go for it.
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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

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Re: TFL, code 46 parked on a red route (Loading box) or clearway, Egerton Road N16, Parked after Hours
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I'd suggest an application for costs:

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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: TFL, code 46 parked on a red route (Loading box) or clearway, Egerton Road N16, Parked after Hours
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How do I request an application for cost and how much cost can I get
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