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Re: TfL - Camden - 46 - Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway), Red route and PCN issued via camera opera
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Should be an expensive session at The Knights' Templar!  I'll be there.
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Re: TfL - Camden - 46 - Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway), Red route and PCN issued via camera opera
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Note to self: CCTV camera is a Predator HD Ultra but TFL has refused to confirm exactly which one. Internal review due back on 16 November.
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Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
Re: TfL - Camden - 46 - Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway), Red route and PCN issued via camera opera
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AFAIR TFL chap wanted to reopen all the old cases following the High Court decision. Mr Teper was rightly not impressed.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: TfL - Camden - 46 - Stopped where prohibited (on a red route or clearway), Red route and PCN issued via camera opera
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This is an old thread, but do the principles still apply?
Thanks

Quote from: cp8759 on June 27, 2023, 03:59:15 pm
Send this:

Dear Transport for London,

I challenge liability on the basis of a procedural impropriety, specifically it is unlawful for you to serve a postal PCN in these circumstances. I refer you to the red route panel decision in Commercial Plant Services Ltd & others v Transport for London (2230060716, 25 May 2023) published at www.londontribunals.gov.uk/sites/default/files/keycases/Red%20Route%20Panel%20Decision.pdf

It follows that the PCN must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,

If they reject, I'll sort out the tribunal appeal for you.
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Quote from: Naomi_Brooks on March 12, 2025, 10:08:54 am
This is an old thread, but do the principles still apply?

No, there are new ones that work even better. Start your own thread and we'll help you out.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

Quote from: 'Gumph' date='Thu, 19 Jan 2023 - 10:23'
cp8759 is, indeed, a Wizard of the First Order
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