Author Topic: PCN from Greenwich Council whilst parked in a Disabled parking bay on match day near Charlton Athletic FC ground.  (Read 418 times)

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Hello

On the afternoon Saturday 6th December I received a PCN (GR15229973)from Greenwich Council in SE London for parking in a designated disabled bay. The bay is located in a residential road (o/s 96-98 Charlton Lane near the junction with Harvey Gardens) near The Valley, home of Charlton Athletic.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/EZhNatZM6bjwqQm4A

The ticket says it was issued as the car (displaying a valid blue badge) was '21..parked wholly or partly in a suspended bay or space'.  The road sign adjacent to the disabled bay is a standard rectangular 'Disabled badge holders only' sign. Underneath that is a separate square yellow sign saying 'Tow Away Zone' with No Waiting, Loading or Unloading. The sign also has 'Event at Charlton Athletic FC' on it and underneath this are some pieces of paper that say a date and times (see attached).



My question is whether the Council have followed guidance to sufficiently notify drivers that parking is temporarily suspended? Is the yellow sign in line with statutory requirements?

It looks like I could have parked the car on nearby yellow lines as there no signage to say otherwise, so a ticket for parking in designated bay seems harsh and unfair.

I want to appeal this PCN and any advice as to whether and what grounds I could do this on would be very gratefully received. Equally if I'm in the wrong then I'll just have to grin and bear it and pay the fine.

Many thanks.

Simon B

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Post the PCN.

What's the car VRM.

There isn't a disabled bay in your Maps link?

Greenwich's weird tow away signs have been ruled as not compliant at the tribunal in several cases I think.

Apologies for a couple of things:

Firstly the disabled bay in question is outside 106 Charlton Lane

https://maps.app.goo.gl/5U8GgXH5SvYPiK4dA

Secondly I had attached a PCN ticket photo and other photos but they didn't seem to attach to the message.Hopefully they do now.

https://imgpile.com/p/JDFDeF4

Thanks

I'm pretty sure the sign is non-compliant and if Greenwich contested it at the tribunal they would lose, and they currently don't provide evidence for a lot of cases anyway.

Some cases pasted below but what concerns me is why Greenwich is persisting with this.



Case reference   214012793A
Appellant   xxxxxxx
Authority   Royal Borough of Greenwich
VRM   W583SJM
PCN Details
PCN   GR02422777
Contravention date   27 Oct 2013
Contravention time   16:49:00
Contravention location   Charlton Lane
Penalty amount   GBP 130.00
Contravention   Parked in a suspended bay/part of bay
Referral date   -
Decision Date   17 Apr 2014
Adjudicator   Andrew Harman
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons   There is no dispute that this vehicle was parked in a suspended free bay. The suspension notice is shown in the attendant's photographs. The appellant raises the issue of signage she questioning whether the sign used by the council is compliant with the legal requirements. The council does not suggest that it has obtained the Secretary of State's authorisation for its sign and the sign used does not appear to comply with any diagram in The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002. I am not therefore satisfied that this penalty charge is enforceable.

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Case reference   215029673A
Appellant   xxxxxx
Authority   Royal Borough of Greenwich
VRM   WV07 USL
PCN Details
PCN   GR01754658
Contravention date   28 Feb 2015
Contravention time   13:54:00
Contravention location   charlton lane
Penalty amount   GBP 130.00
Contravention   Parked in a suspended bay/part of bay
Referral date   -
Decision Date   10 Oct 2015
Adjudicator   Belinda Pearce
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons   
The Appellant, Dr. D. Phelps, attended before me today to explain his contention personally.

There is no dispute as to the whereabouts of vehicle WV07USL, at the relevant time, on the material date; the Enforcement Authority assert that the facility to so park had been temporarily removed, and that the said vehicle was so parked during the operative period of the suspension.

The Appellant denies liability for the ensuing Penalty Charge Notice on the basis of the prevailing circumstances and challenges as contained in his written representations, which he reiterated and comprehensively detailed at the Hearing.

The Enforcement Authority who assert that the said vehicle was so parked contrary to an operative suspension are obliged to adduce evidence to the requisite standard to substantiate that assertion.

The evidence upon which the Enforcement Authority rely to substantiate the assertion comprises the certified copy Penalty Charge Notice, extracts of governing Traffic Management Order provisions, and contemporaneous notes made by the Civil Enforcement Officer together with photographic evidence: still frames revealing the said vehicle in situ, and the applicable signage notifying motorists of the suspension.

The Enforcement Authority also adduce an annotated un-dated street-view image; this is of limited evidential value since the knowledge of the annotator is unknown and it does not add anything to the Case.

I note immediately that the sign to which the Enforcement Authority refer does not actually indicate the suspension of a parking regime or identify the extent of an area suspended; its legend notifies a manner of enforcement, which would be interpreted as implemented for inappropriately parked vehicles, as opposed to those complying with the, still visible, time plate advertising the facility to park.

Whilst I acknowledge the Enforcement Authority's comment in the Case Summary regarding the non-prescription of a suspension sign per se, nevertheless it is incumbent upon an enforcement authority to ensure that signage implementing a suspension is adequate to communicate the nature of the same to motorists. I do not find that the sign in the present case imparts a suspension.

Each Case is determined upon its individual evidential merit; I have reached my determination independently of Mr, C. Teper but I concur with his findings in Case no 2150128495.

Evidentially I am not satisfied that this contravention occurred, accordingly I allow this Appeal.

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Case reference   2150128495
Appellant   xxxxxx
Authority   Royal Borough of Greenwich
VRM   WV07USL
PCN Details
PCN   GR02349225
Contravention date   14 Feb 2015
Contravention time   13:39:00
Contravention location   Charlton Lane
Penalty amount   GBP 130.00
Contravention   Parked in a suspended bay/part of bay
Referral date   -
Decision Date   15 May 2015
Adjudicator   Carl Teper
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.
Reasons   The Appellant has attended his appeal I find him to be an honest and convincing witness I believe what he tells me.

The Authority's case is that the Appellant's vehicle was parked in a suspended bay when in Charlton Lane on 14 February 2015 at 13.39.

The Appellant's case is that the suspension notice was neither visible nor in place when he parked in the 'Free' parking bay.

I have considered the evidence and I find this contravention is not proved because I accept the Appellant's evidence, which I find to be credible and convincing and I find that there was no suspension notice in the bay where he parked his vehicle.

Further, I have not been able to reconcile the location of the suspension notice (photographed by the Civil Enforcement Officer) and the bay in which the Appellant's vehicle was parked.

Furthermore, Enforcement Authorities now use a standardised suspension notice which has three sides. I find the 'Tow Away Zone' sign to be inadequate in the circumstances of this particular case.

The appeal is allowed.

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IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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My e mail address for councils:

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Last mission accomplished:

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Greenwich use of this odd sign is risible, and if it were me, I'd be taking them to London Tribunals citing the sign is totally uncompliant with the signs in use for for indicating suspensions.

Here's a case from another road decided by one of the reliable adjudicators.

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Case reference   2240363769
Appellant   xxxxxx
Authority   Royal Borough of Greenwich
VRM   YG64CXS
PCN Details
PCN   GR13275517
Contravention date   13 Feb 2024
Contravention time   18:13:00
Contravention location   Floyd Road
Penalty amount   GBP 130.00
Contravention   Parked wholly/partly in a suspended bay or space
Referral date   -
Decision Date   24 Oct 2024
Adjudicator   Edward Houghton
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.

Reasons   
The Appellant appeared in person.

He parked at this location not realising there were any restrictions in force. I am not at all surprised. The Council’s signage is woefully deficient in that it does not in any way comply with the requirements of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2016 and is not sufficiently visible in the way that a triangular bay suspension sign would be in a normal suspension case.

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The Council, and the wording on the sign itself, speak of a “suspension” and it is for breach of a suspension that the PCN was issued. However it seems clear from the Council’s evidence and the Traffic Management Orders supplied that this is in fact a waiting/loading restriction which comes into force on event days, rather than the suspension of a designated parking place under the powers contained in the Traffic Management Order for that parking place – the two are not the same. Quite apart from questions of signage the PCN was issued for the wrong contravention.

As this is a waiting/loading restriction, albeit one not in operation at all times, it must be signed as such, i.e. by means of a yellow line accompanied by time plates stating its operational times as event days with the appropriate hours (or by appropriate CPZ signage). This would have to be accompanied by some form of notice, usually given on Zone entry signs, indicating that the day in question was an event day; and there are many examples of this in signage relating to other stadia in London such as the Emirates. The current sign is a sign of the Council’s own invention and is neither correct nor clear. The Council would be well advised to review the signage for this event day restriction as matter of urgency.

As the restriction relied on was not clearly and correctly indicated the Appeal must be allowed.