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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
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I'm going to challenge it again with the below reply. Please let me know your thoughts.

Dear x,

It is disappointing to see that you have rejected my claim without giving consideration to the points I made.

As mentioned, the signs (including the one you attached) are not clear as the parking restrictions say Mon-Fri and the event days sign says nothing about operating outside of these days.

Furthermore, the CPZ T are inadequate, with the only event days sign for this CPZ being in an area that I did not pass. My direction of travel was north up Fulham Palace road, then a left turn onto Nella Road. Nowhere during this journey was there a CPZ visible with the event day dates displayed.

In regards to the point about me having to check the website. This isn't consistent with the law. Adjudicators apply the law and that law is that the signs must reflect the traffic order.

Lastly, after doing some research into this issue, it seems this is a common issue in the area and that appeals have been accepted for these exact reasons. Please see below:

Case reference   2250294640
Appellant   Jonathan Brenner
Authority   London Borough of Hammersmith and Fulham
VRM   HN63 OVL
PCN Details
PCN   HZ78122708
Contravention date   16 Mar 2025
Contravention time   10:29:00
Contravention location   Winslow Road
Penalty amount   N/A
Contravention   Parked resident/shared use without a valid permit
Referral date   -
Decision Date   15 Sep 2025
Adjudicator   Carl Teper
Appeal decision   Appeal allowed
Direction   
cancel the Penalty Charge Notice and the Notice to Owner.

Reasons   
The Appellant has attended his appeal by video link, the Authority is not represented.

The Authority's case is that the Appellant's vehicle was parked in a residents' or shared use parking place or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit or voucher or pay and display ticket issued for that place where required, or without payment of the parking charge when in Winslow Road on Sunday, 16 March 2025 at 10:29.

The Appellant's case is that there was nothing to indicate that this particular Sunday was an Event/March day with additional restrictions.

I have considered the evidence in this case and I find that this contravention is not proved.

Sunday, 16 March 2025 may well have been an Event/Match day, however, there is a requirement for this to be indicated on the Controlled Parking signage when entering a particular Zone - in this case the Zone that surrounds the football ground of the local football team.

This Authority has failed to provide a map indicating the extent of the Zone, where the CPZ signage is located and at least an example of a CPZ sign recording that Sunday, 16 March 2025 was an Event/Match day.

In the absence of such evidence I am not satisfied that the Authority has proved this particular contravention.

The appeal is allowed.

Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« Reply #16 on: »
Their reply (rejection), is to your informal challenge to the PCN. It is almost certain that they will tell you to wait for the Notice to Owner and submit a formal representation; are you the owner holding the V5C Registration Certificate for the vehicle, and is it up-to-date ?

Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« Reply #17 on: »
I thought that but I'm also still able to appeal again it seems.

If you have any further information/comments to make regarding this PCN, please submit them on-line using the challenge form on the following web page www.lbhf.gov.uk/pcn

and the website is allowing another.

I am the registered owener and v5 is up to date. Although I'm moving in March

Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« Reply #18 on: »
can you pay at the 50% discount and still appeal by any chance?

Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« Reply #19 on: »
can you pay at the 50% discount and still appeal by any chance?

No. That's why they offer the discount. Paying closes the case although you can write to them if exceptional circumstances later come to light.

Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
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I thought that would be the case. Basically, pressuring people who are hard up for cash to pay early and not take it further. Guess I have a decision to make. £80 now or potentially £160 later.

Only new thing i would mention is that after looking on google map, there is this sign https://maps.app.goo.gl/kxxWDRbzM9qkUp4M7.

I didn't see it and even if i saw it now, it wouldn't be clear to me that the streets i drove down are in that specific zone.

Edit: After reading back, this isn't new and was pointed out in this thread.

I've disputed it again and mentioned that sign. Lets see what they come back with but at this point, if the 50% discount expires and they reject again, i might as well take it as far as i can
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
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Re: Hammersmith and Fulham PCN
« Reply #22 on: »
I thought that would be the case. Basically, pressuring people who are hard up for cash to pay early and not take it further. Guess I have a decision to make. £80 now or potentially £160 later.

Only new thing i would mention is that after looking on google map, there is this sign https://maps.app.goo.gl/kxxWDRbzM9qkUp4M7.

I didn't see it and even if i saw it now, it wouldn't be clear to me that the streets i drove down are in that specific zone.

Edit: After reading back, this isn't new and was pointed out in this thread.

I've disputed it again and mentioned that sign. Lets see what they come back with but at this point, if the 50% discount expires and they reject again, i might as well take it as far as i can
Yes, there is that sign on the far side of the street right next to a bus stop, so stupidly, (nay, bovinely stupidly) placed. Why is it not repeated on the near side ?