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I have this PCN for a driver at work from TfL for a 50r Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn). Going along Camden Road, there is crossroads with St Pancras Way. Now, approaching these lights in the left lane is a forward arrow. In the right of the two lanes is a forward arrow with a right arrow coming off it (as one symbol/marking) - https://maps.app.goo.gl/9vGtueZmyfYycfbT6?g_st=ac

I understand that the signs on the traffic lights indicating no right turn onto St Pancras Way are statutory directions and may take precedent over road markings, but surely the road markings should not straight up contradict the signs, that just seems wrong. I had appealed it which I have linked below and they rejected it and provide FOI requested data that I never requested. There is also just two cases on the London Tribunals register of appeals for CAMDEN ROAD NORTHBOUND JW ST PANCRAS WAY, both were from 2025 and both allowed as TfL decided to DNC. One of those appeals was from a company so I have contacted them to ask what their grounds of appeal were for the appeal.

Anyway, I'm trying to figure out if I can win this appeal. Common sense and the requirements for signage and road markings to be clear and not ambiguous tells me this isn't right.

TfL PCN - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HY17COjevhWIoleFtr0sI_vc0S5MTZEu/view?usp=drivesdk

My appeal letter - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1tuYjFxawYq8U7VNbVex04HLLbRkIIwIK/view?usp=drivesdk

Notice of Rejection - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vSx6Y1F_7RTWlzU81PuDbCD68fMTni2y/view?usp=drivesdk

FOI & TRO - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hIbAhVPBucngsxZ13aNSca2NBMX7m-QY/view?usp=drivesdk
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Re: TfL - 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - despite road markings showing a right turn
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Please post a GSV link to the location.
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I am reliably informed that at the final stages their website is a serious issue re dates of increase.

@cp8759 ?
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If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

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Re: TfL - 50r - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn) - despite road markings showing a right turn
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Quote from: Incandescent on January 13, 2026, 06:47:14 pm
Please post a GSV link to the location.

Is it not in my post, it should be. https://maps.app.goo.gl/d5z3qWk9GXry8xPo6?g_st=ac
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I see the clear arrow with a right turn on it as well. This looks quite new, so the implication is the highways department have re-painted the road markings but have not checked whether they still apply, which the signs on the traffic light heads contradict.  They'll probably say "ah well, the right turn indication is for the buses" which are allowed to turn right.
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TfL essentially have said that yes. But would the London Tribunal? We know TfL don't have the greatest understanding of traffic contraventions, they reject appeals that would win at Tribunal everyday of the week except Sunday, but twice on Monday.

The road markings clearly contradict the signs on the traffic lights, had the road markings had supplementary writing saying "RIGHT TURN BUSES ONLY" I might be more accepting.

Because our head offices only sent me the NoR yesterday, the charge is already at £160. So, there is actually nothing to lose by appealing to London Tribunal.

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No point in paying now if the amount is £160.
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Quote from: TheParkingmeister on January 14, 2026, 08:13:40 am
Because our head offices only sent me the NoR yesterday, the charge is already at £160. So, there is actually nothing to lose by appealing to London Tribunal.
Don't appeal by post, send the completed forms by email to queries@londontribunals.org.uk

If you'd like me to represent you don't send any forms anywhere and please contact me directly.
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I practice law in the Traffic Penalty Tribunal, London Tribunals, the First-tier tribunal for Scotland, and the Traffic Penalty Tribunal for Northern Ireland, but I am not a solicitor or a barrister. Notwithstanding this, I voluntarily apply the cab rank rule. I am a member of the Society of Professional McKenzie Friends, my membership number is FM193 and I abide by the SPMF service standards.

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