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TEC - ULEZ not paid - No PCN received, Bailiffs instructed
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On 22nd August I received a NoE from Marstons for two PCNs relating to two consecutive days travelling in the ULEZ without paying the charge.
I then contacted Marstons (24th) to check whether these were legitimate as I had no knowledge of the contraventions. They informed me (29th) that they were legitimate and gave details of the incidents.
I also checked the details of the PCNs and contacted TfL to tell them that I wasn't aware of the PCNs and what should I do to challenge them (I didn't get a response).
I then had a follow up from Marstons saying they would send an enforcement agent at additional fee (30 Aug).
The agent arrived on the 11th and left a notice of intention to remove as no one was in.
I then spent a week or so trying to get through to TfL on the phone, only to be given details of TEC and finally got through to them where a very friendly lady told me that the PCN had probably gone to the wrong address because I hadn't updated my log book when I moved house, and that I should complete a statutory declaration out of time and sent me the forms (12 Sep).
I spoke to the enforcement Agent (12 Sep) over the phone to inform him that I had been told to complete the SD and he said that he was not able to put the case on hold until TEC had processed the forms and updated the case.

I also contacted bailiffadviceonline (12 Sep) who told me that the PCN had been returned to TfL and that I should complete the forms for them to check (15 Sep).
I duly completed the forms and sent them to be checked and was told they urgently needed to be reworded, but have had no contact from them since.
Alongside this I contacted a number of solicitors to find someone who could witness the forms but have not been able to find anyone will to sign them who has availability any time soon.

I am getting increasingly anxious about how long everything is to taking to move, particularly with bailiffs a ever-present concern.

Any advice would be much appreciated.

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Re: TEC - ULEZ not paid - No PCN received, Bailiffs instructed
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If you contacted, and possibly contracted with, 'Bailiffadviceonline' then IMO you'll have to decide how to act upon what advice you receive here.


If an Enforcement Agent has visited your property then you're in for the full fees i.e. Compliance(£75)*2 and Enforcement(£235)*1. These are in addition to TfL's penalties. You could and IMO should have paid as soon as Marstons contacted you(because this doesn't affect any application to TEC but caps your liability) but this ship has sailed.

The likely cause is as you've posted i.e. failure to keep your V5C current, but we need details.


Are you the registered keeper of a car?*
Is this the same one as appears in the PCNs?
Is your V5C up to date?
When was this last amended?
Have you moved, if so when?
Dates of PCNs?
Do you have copies of the PCNs?


*- this isn't germane to the details of the process but if you do then Marstons are likely to find it and seize.


Re: TEC - ULEZ not paid - No PCN received, Bailiffs instructed
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Thanks for your response. I wasn't whether paying the Marstons fine would mean that the money was then lost. Is there any beenfit to paying now to avoid further costs or are they limited?

In response to you specific questions:

Are you the registered keeper of a car?
No the car has been sold recently (I think it is still in process of changing details with DVLA)

Is this the same one as appears in the PCNs?
I haven't seen the PCN (I never got it!), but when I spoke to TfL they had my previous address on file.

Is your V5C up to date?
It was not updated before the car was sold, so had my previous address on it.

When was this last amended?
In process, went through first week of September, before that it was when the car was bought in 2016.

Have you moved, if so when?
Yes, October 2021

Dates of PCNs?
29 & 30 December 2023

Do you have copies of the PCNs?
No, but have seen the infringements on TfL website.

Re: TEC - ULEZ not paid - No PCN received, Bailiffs instructed
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Thanks.

You've identified the issue:

As at the dates of the infringements, your V5C details (and therefore DVLA's records) were inaccurate and had been for at least 2 years(contrary to your legal duty and a failure for which the max. fine is, I believe, £1000).

DVLA supplied TfL with your old address due to your failure to keep your registered keeper address current.

With this in mind, I can't see how the Traffic Enforcement Centre could allow you to submit a late Statutory Declaration.

How much is being demanded by Marston - give the breakdown so that we can see that only one Enforcement Fee is being charged.

But all is not lost IMO and you may yet salvage something.

You received Notices of Enforcement from Marston for the PCNs but did the underlying warrants carry this address or did they, and the council, simply cut corners? If not correctly addressed then this raises issues as to whether the Warrants of Control were proper instruments which could be enforced.

I would contact the TEC and ask them.

Wait for others.
« Last Edit: September 20, 2024, 01:53:03 pm by H C Andersen »

Re: TEC - ULEZ not paid - No PCN received, Bailiffs instructed
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Thanks again.

The current amount owed is £943.00, which seems to be correct.
This broken down into Debt (£279) and Compliance-stage fee (£75) for each of two PCN, and one fee of £235for the visit.

How do I go about contacting TEC about the Warrants?
Do I need to do this via a formal process? or is it just a case of phoning and asking?

Many thanks,
Joe

Re: TEC - ULEZ not paid - No PCN received, Bailiffs instructed
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I have managed to find someone to sign my PE2/3 forms on Thursday morning, so I am going to call TEC tomorrow to ask the address on the warrant of control.
Assuming they hold my old address, making the warrant defective, would the following be sufficient?
The warrant of control lists my old address [OLD ADDRESS]. On 22nd August 2024, a bailiff took action at my new address [NEW ADDRESS] without the applicant requesting a new warrant specifying my new address under CPR 75.7(7).


**found at https://www.nationalbailiffadvice.uk/Appeal-PCN.html

or do I also need to include something such as the following?

The original PCN was sent to my previous address, and as such I never received it. This meant that I did not have the opportunity pay the original fine in good time and I was not aware of any contravention until the notification from Marstons on 22nd August.

I am assuming that should this be accepted I will receive 2 new PCNs (which I will duly pay) but the additional costs from Marstons costs will be cancelled.

Re: TEC - ULEZ not paid - No PCN received, Bailiffs instructed
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I am afraid your assumption about acceptance is wrong, sorry to have to say it. Any Out-of-Time declaration to TEC (Statutory Declaration, or Witness Statement), can be opposed by the enforcing authority, who invariably do object to its acceptance. If they object, your OOT will be declined. The problem is one of your own making, being failure to keep your V5C up-to-date, indeed two years out-of-date, I believe.

Anyway, let us know how you get on, you could get lucky !

Re: TEC - ULEZ not paid - No PCN received, Bailiffs instructed
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Ah. I did wonder if I was being a bit naïve!
Thanks for clarifying.

Is it worth my paying Marstons now to avoid any further increase? or will this not be retrievable?

Re: TEC - ULEZ not paid - No PCN received, Bailiffs instructed
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You've now got to the maximum amount the bailiffs can charge, so maybe don't pay until the result of our OOT comes back. Once your OOT is received and processed by TEC, all bailiff action must cease, so they can't turn up and seize goods or clamp your car, but TEC have been very slow post Covid in processing OOTs. So you need to watch out for them. Of course if you pay the amount demanded, this has no influence on whether your OOT is accepted or rejected. As I said before, your case doesn't look good, because you failed to update your V5 in a timely manner.