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My driver used to park there occasionally for ages as there wasn't any parking restrictions in place, even a week before the day when received this PCN. He parked there as usual without noticing a new sign and got surprise on the windscreen on return.
Does the council need to give any grace period when introducing a new Resident Parking Permit Scheme before charging any penalties? On Google map there are no any restrictions.
Are there any grounds for appeal to consider.
Many thanks for any help.   

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Re: Surrey CC, code 16, new parking permit scheme introduced recently
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Moor Lane is very long, so please post a GSV link telling us exactly where the car was parked.

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GSV link in my original post shows the exact location: 15 Moor Lane

Re: Surrey CC, code 16, new parking permit scheme introduced recently
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GSV link in my original post shows the exact location: 15 Moor Lane
Thanks.
There is certainly no requirement in law for the council to give any grace period at all. When parking, you are under a duty to look for the sign controlling a marked bay. So the question is, was there a marked bay before the sign was erected, or did it all appear together. Your car is clearly in a marked bay which should have alerted you to the need to look for a sign.

However, all may not yet be lost. Why not submit representations on a non-confrontational basis, explaining that the recent restriction caught you out as you have been parking there for many years (give the period and how often per week/month). The council will, no doubt have told locals about the new parking. Were you visiting anybody living there ? If they didn't know then you can put this in your reps. Important thing is that the law is on the side of the council, but they have discretion to cancel a PCN if they think the circumstances demand it.

Re: Surrey CC, code 16, new parking permit scheme introduced recently
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Thank you.
Yes, this marked bay was in there without any signs for ages.
The Resident Parking Permit signs have been in place on Moor Lane between the Wraysbury Gardens and Meadow Court but not further down the road, so it always was safe to park there when a parking space was available, until now. 

Re: Surrey CC, code 16, new parking permit scheme introduced recently
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So make sure you mention that the bay has been marked there without a sign for many years without a sign.

Re: Surrey CC, code 16, new parking permit scheme introduced recently
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Page 29: https://tro.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/TRO/Surrey/Spelthorne-Residents-Parking-Order-2024-signed.pdf

Came into effect 20 May 2024


Page 4: https://tro.trafficpenaltytribunal.gov.uk/TRO/Surrey/Spelthorne-1st-CPE-Amendment-2025-sealed.pdf

Came into effect 21 April 2025.

OP, you refer to 'my driver'. Pl explain. If you are not the registered keeper of the vehicle then you have no direct role in this from a regulatory perspective.

Re: Surrey CC, code 16, new parking permit scheme introduced recently
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I am registered keeper.
Thank you for your help

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even a week before the day when received this PCN. He parked there as usual without noticing a new sign and got surprise on the windscreen on return.

The road markings are perfectly clear in the authority's photos so couldn't be missed by the driver. The sign is on lamp column 10 only a few metres ahead and both vehicle and sign are visible in the same photos.

Your account is that up to last week there wasn't a sign and yet the restriction came into effect at least on 21 April 2025 and possibly as far back as May 2024.

I'm struggling to find an angle for you here.

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even a week before the day when received this PCN. He parked there as usual without noticing a new sign and got surprise on the windscreen on return.

The road markings are perfectly clear in the authority's photos so couldn't be missed by the driver. The sign is on lamp column 10 only a few metres ahead and both vehicle and sign are visible in the same photos.

Your account is that up to last week there wasn't a sign and yet the restriction came into effect at least on 21 April 2025 and possibly as far back as May 2024.

I'm struggling to find an angle for you here.
But was a sign actually erected ? Councils can be very, if not extremely, dozy on these things, Or th sign just went missing.

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The sign and markings were in place as required at the time of the contravention.

With respect, the rest is hearsay. Yes, the OP can question the council as regards when the markings and sign were installed, but what's the end game here?

OP, some fundamentals pl:
Are you the registered keeper of the vehicle with current DVLA details;
Do you live in this section of Moor Road(you raised the question of why no notice and clearly do not have a resident's permit)?