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The problem you have with this argument is that there are clearly marked out parking bays with signs, the tops of which have the words "Red Route" on them. Opposite where he parked are also double-red lines, so it's not as if there is no hint of the street being a Red Route.

Were you the driver ? Or are you the owner of the vehicle. Under the legislation, the owner has legal responsibility for payment or appealing a PCN.

I'm the driver / owner....
I agree with you about the signage....
Wasn't the best decision to park there...
Exploring any way of not giving 80 quid to the mafia

Well, sorry to say it, but at the moment I see no robust appeal argument. Of course that doesn't stop you submitting representations based on what you have told us, so do so, and post up their response when you get it; they may shoot themselves in the foot, who knows ! They will re-offer the discount when they reject them.

Not in your favour is the presence of two clearly marked bays with signs regulating them, thus indicating to an aexperienced motorist that there could be a restriction on the gap between the bays.

Frankly, I don't think you have a strong case to take to London Tribunals, the only place where you'll get an unbiased judgment.

YOu say you've already appealed, but I assume this was an informal challenge to the PCN found on your car. Post their response when you get it. Next stage is the Notice to Owner. Are you the owner and is your V5C Registration Certificate up-to-date for address, as that is where the NtO is sent ?

It is worht trying, but I try to make sure people realise how venal and rapaciouis councils are nowadays so the disappointment of a rejection is not felt too hard.

Yes, I would go for the faded red lines. As they need no sign, it is doubly important they are in good condition.

You have the absolute right in law to take them to London Tribunals, but have to risk the full PCN penalty of you do so; no discount option. So it's your decision, fold and pay, or stand your ground.

Here is the NoR received from TFL
https://imgpile.com/p/M37Qlhq

I no longer have the original PCN from TfL. I did seek some advice on this forum earlier, and the general view seemed to be that there was not much obvious evidence as to why I would have been permitted to park on the red route.

Following that, it was suggested that I could submit an appeal anyway just to see what TfL said. I used ChatGPT to draft a representation, which I submitted, but that appeal has now been rejected.

After submitting that representation, I revisited the location. I originally relied on the TfL images and Google Maps, which show a clear red route line. However, when I went back to the location, I found that the red line on the road is now extremely faded.

In addition, looking again at TfL’s evidence photo, the vehicle in front of my Blue Tesla appears to cover the more prominent section of the red line.  https://imgpile.com/p/6uSmPaR     The road surface there is a two-tone brick surface, and the Other vehicle blocks the clearer portion of the marking. At the time (and at night), the only visible marking would have been a very small section of what appears to be a heavily faded red line.

Unfortunately, I did not raise this point in my original representation because I assumed the contravention was clear.

Given this, do I have any grounds to raise this argument now? Would the correct next step be to appeal to London Tribunals even though it wasn’t included in my original representation?

Also, am I still able to view the actual CCTV footage at this stage while the PCN is effectively paused so I can properly review the evidence and gather photographs of the location?

Hi...The full NoR has been uploaded
https://imgpile.com/p/M37Qlhq

They have also sent me the appeal to the London Tribunals information

For evidence (Viewing the images online) TFL have two pictures of my vehicle at the location.  https://imgpile.com/p/XUACjJQ
There are no pictures of my vehicle entering the space where the red route is, clearly showing the Red lines prior to parking.
The only evidence I've received about the Red route at the location is from the NoR which contains FOI about the Red route and images from Google maps which clearly show the red route
https://imgpile.com/p/EfEbxxN

If you look at the clear image of the Red route here  https://imgpile.com/p/EfEbxxN
You see the two toned brick work in the road. When I parked vehicles were parked up to the brick work on ether side of the Red route, over the adjacent bays.
Leaving me just the faded section of the Red route    https://imgpile.com/m/iRi6rn6.



Regards
Paul