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Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #15 on: »
OP, can we get back to the PCN pl.


So:
Is the PCN addressed to you by name?

If so, is the car HIRED or is it LEASED.

If hired, for what period?

If leased, then for what period?

One step at a time.

Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #16 on: »
There was no stationary vehicle ahead of the box - this is the second limb of the law. No contravention as per others. Tell Havering to do something more useful and the report the car from the left to the Police.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #17 on: »
And the remaining page(s)?
I reiterate our moderator's request.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #18 on: »
Part 6 conveys the prohibition that a person must not cause a vehicle to enter the box junction so that the vehicle has to stop within the box junction due to the presence of stationary vehicles.

With respect, there's excessive liberal interpretation of words here.

Has to stop.. due to the presence of stationary vehicles. Any vehicle, any position front/side coming or going are not determinate. IMO, the location of the 'stationary' vehicle obviously caused the driver to stop. Whether what turned out to be that vehicle's momentary stop provides a statutory defence is not a shoo-in IMO. As already pointed out, that vehicle was in the box before the driver even entered. So 'stationary vehicle in box causes the subject vehicle to stop and then moves off' is hardly a unique combination.

OP, pl deal with the PCN whose propriety IMO has precedence over the contravention

Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #19 on: »
At no point did the OP stop due to a stationary vehicle.

I agree the process issue needs tidying up.

Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #20 on: »
This is a leased vehicle and the length of lease is 3 years.

The PCN was addressed to the lease company and they are writing to Havering to give them our details.

Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #21 on: »
So let's be clear, you do not have a PCN in your name, correct?

Then there is nothing for you to do until you do receive one.

Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #22 on: »
OP - are you saying the PCN you posted up earlier (dated 3 July) was addressed to the lease company, not to you (addressee was [correctly] redacted so we can't tell).

If so, surely that was out of time and the lease company could/should simply appeal on that basis?

Edit - or would it be possible for the OP to appeal when he eventually receives a PCN on the basis of the original being out of time?
« Last Edit: July 21, 2025, 11:35:07 am by MrChips »

Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #23 on: »
The PCN was addressed to my company c/o the lease company address.

The lease company scanned the PCN and emailed to me along with this:

Dear Customer
 
What is happening?
 
We are writing to let you know that unfortunately we have received a parking fine or penalty charge notice for your vehicle JF13ABY
 
The details of the offence are as listed below:
Fine / Penalty Charge number:                       HG62062557
Date & Time:                                                      07/06/2025 11:27:00
Location:                                                            Butts Green Road/Parkstone Avenue RM11(SB)
Issuing authority details:                                 London Borough of Havering
Hirer address:                                                   

What happens now?
We have contacted the issuing authority on your behalf and have asked them to send the fine direct to you, at the 'hirer' address listed above. This is because in your leasing contract you are responsible for either paying the fine/penalty amount or appealing upon receipt from the authority.
 
Important information you need to know
Please be aware that:
Some authorities can take up to one calendar month to reissue a fine. If you don't receive the fine/charge notice after this time, then please contact the authority in question. If the address details above are incorrect  you must contact us immediately so that we can update our system and resend the correct address information to the issuing authority listed above.
When an authority reissues the fine the discounted payment period restarts. However, please be aware that if you make an appeal and you are unsuccessful, you may lose the opportunity to pay at the discounted rate.
For any further information about the offence, please visit the issuing authorities' website, and enter the fine or penalty charge notice number. By accessing the website you may be able to:
 
              -request a copy of the fine or penalty charge notice
              -view the evidence of contravention, including images from the Issuer
              -review your payment options
              -get details on how you can appeal
Omoda & Jaecoo Contract Hire are unable to liaise with the authority regarding the offence once the liability has been transferred due to data protection
We have charged you or your company an administration fee of £12.50 +VAT, in line with your contract with us.
This fee will appear in your next monthly invoice.*
If you ignore the fine and not pay it Omoda & Jaecoo Contract Hire will receive an escalation notice and we will pay the fine and recharge the cost to you to avoid any further escalation or legal proceedings.     
If you have any further questions on the penalty charge process please contact us by e-mailing, fines@OmodaJaecoocontracthire.co.uk
Best Wishes
Omoda & Jaecoo Account Team 
 
* Omoda & Jaecoo Account Team will only look to refund the administration fee if you have successfully appealed your fine due to the authority having issued it in error. You will need to provide us with proof of this from the authority admitting their mistake, and upon receipt of this we will credit the administration fee. We will not look to refund the administration fee if your appeal was successful and cancelled as a gesture of goodwill.

Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #24 on: »
Sorry OP, your responses still do not make sense.

The PCN was addressed to my company c/o the lease company address.

The lease company scanned the PCN and emailed to me along with this:


There is no 'c/o' in this process.

Clearly, as the lease company wrote to your company regarding this PCN then it was addressed to them, not you.

Does your company have a PCN in their name alone from the council?

Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #25 on: »
The letter was clearly addressed to:

MY COMPANY C/O LEASE COMPANY

Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #26 on: »
Could the lease company have given the council the c/o address as the serviceable address perhaps?

Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #27 on: »
What a mess. Unorthodox doesn't get near describing this. 

Anyway, IMO your company is the registered keeper for DVLA purposes and therefore the presumed 'owner' for road traffic contravention purposes.

For these purposes, your company's relationship with the lease company and who has title to the vehicle are not relevant considerations.

Make reps(as your company) no later than 3 Aug(date of service of PCN is 7 July) using the arguments discussed regarding the contravention. For these purposes, the lease company's obligation as c/o addressee was simply to act as a conduit for the PCN; they do not have any right to make reps.

Can't wait to see the council's response to your company.


Re: Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
« Reply #28 on: »
I have lodged my representation. I will update on the reply.