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Stopped in YBJ due to car pulling out
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PCN - HG62062557
VRM - JF 13 ABY

Our vehicle did stop in a YBJ at the unction of Butts Green Road and Parkstone Avenue, RM11. This was due to a vehicle who pulled out from Parkstone Avenue. As it was raining, I had an elderly person as passenger and I had a car behind me, I came to a safe, controlled stop but was inside the YBJ. From the video, I was stopped for around 4 seconds and did not impede anyone.

I would like to defend on the basis of the car pulling out and conditions left me no choice.



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100% not a contravention.

It's only an offence to have to stop due to stationary vehicles.  The car which temporarily blocks you emerges from the side road and isn't stationary when you are forced to stop.

Havering a bit naughty to issue this PCN.
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Post the PCN redacting only name and address.
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Quote from: stamfordman on July 14, 2025, 05:38:30 pm
Post the PCN redacting only name and address.



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And the remaining page(s)?
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Do you own the car (i.e. not leased, hired, etc?).

Assuming so, the PCN has been served too late, I believe.  LLA2003 requires the PCN to be served no later than the expiry of 28 days beginning with the date on which the alleged contravention or failure to comply occurred.

28 days commencing with 7 June 2025 = 4 July 2025.

Your PCN is dated 3 July 2025 which means it is deemed served on 7 July 2025 (2 business days after posting).
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The car is leased. The lease company emailed me explaining they would give the lessee's details to Havering.
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Quote from: JulianV on July 16, 2025, 05:02:57 pm
The car is leased. The lease company emailed me explaining they would give the lessee's details to Havering.

What does the lease say about PCNs etc?

Please ask the lease co. if they have received a NoA of Reps from the Council.
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There should be a webcode on the PCN - what is it?
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Quote from: MrChips on July 16, 2025, 06:16:35 pm
https://youtu.be/PiWiF3IjyzM?feature=shared

Video
Clearly the council are seeking a prize for the most venal and rapacious enforcement of a council in the UK !

Problem for the OP is that the car emerged before the OP's car had entered the box, not after. However the car was only a small way into the box. It is enforcement on things like this that has given coouncils their Robber Barons reputation.
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The fact that the blocking vehicle is not stationary when the OPs vehicle comes to rest in the box means the PCN can't be upheld in my opinion.
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Quote from: MrChips on July 16, 2025, 10:38:22 pm
The fact that the blocking vehicle is not stationary when the OPs vehicle comes to rest in the box means the PCN can't be upheld in my opinion.
I agree it is difficult to call.
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This isn't a contravention as it's giving way to a car in motion. I can't even see that there was actually a stop when the other car was stopped (it's stop was tiny if at all). 

« Last Edit: July 17, 2025, 10:37:04 am by stamfordman »
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Uou've convinced me ! Stop was nominal, 2-3 seconds.
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