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Hi all!
First time at the new home.
Please help - Southwark cameras on a street with timed prohibition- you can drive at certain times and cannot at others - money making machine  >:( .
I have driven hundreds of times there as I visit the nearby hospital (i am a disabled driver) and never seen the signs and the cameras…
Junction of Grove Lane and De Crespigny Park SE5, London.
Anything I can do to fight that ticket?
I attach the ticket for your conversation.
Please let me know if anything else is needed.
Thank you in advance.

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So here are the signs, one each side of Grove Lane at the junction with De Crespigny Park.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/HXx1RiMAH58QS4De9
A look at previous GSV views shows this is a relatively new restriction, because the signs are not there on the GSV August 2022 view.

Can you please outline your route, for example, did it involve driving along De Crespigny Park, and then turning right, or was it a straight drive down Grove Lane ?  The restriction is because Lyndhurst Primary School lies on Grove Lane between De Crspigny Park, and Windsor Walk, so removes traffic at school entry and exit times.
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PCN please as there is a wording problem.
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Re: Southwark- 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition of certain types of vehicle
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Hi Incandescent,
Thank you for looking at my post.
Yes indeed, I drove from De Crespigny Park (coming from the Kings Hospital end and turned onto Grove Lane towards main road leading to Dog Kennel Hill.
Certainly I do not recall signage on De Cresligny Park and must’ve missed the ones on Grove Lane while manoeuvring…
I looked at the signage and surely is not clear from De Crespigny Park.
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Quote from: Hippocrates on December 22, 2024, 09:58:43 am
PCN please as there is a wording problem.

Hi Hippocrates,
Thank you for taking time to look into my issue.

I have attached the PCN scan with my posting (Front and back) - isn’t it visible?
Shall I re-attach it again?
Best,
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Re: Southwark- 52 m Failing to comply with a prohibition of certain types of vehicle
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Here the PCN attached again.

Yes the wording is poor -

“ Contravention Code and Description:
Southwark Council believes that a Penalty Charge is payable with respect to the above vehicle for the  following alleged contravention.”
And
“ Contravention Code and Description:
52 m
Failing to comply with a probation of certain types of vehicle (Motor vehicles)”

Hope that helps?
Thanks,
Best

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With no warning sign on De Crespigny Park, you have a good argument for inadequate signage, because the signs are high up, and face you sideways as you approach the junction with Grove Lane. Councils are under a duty in LATOR Regulation 18, to place adequate signage for the restriction. Of course, 'adequate' is subjective, but here I think the assessment has to be inadequate.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18

So it looks like you have two arguments to put in your representations, (mine and Hippocrates). Certainly do not cough-up just yet ! However, don't miss the deadline for submission of reps.

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I will draft my effort privately and offer to represent you.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Merry Christmas All!
Thank you all for looking and helping.
Much appreciated.
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Quote from: Incandescent on December 22, 2024, 10:46:34 pm
With no warning sign on De Crespigny Park, you have a good argument for inadequate signage, because the signs are high up, and face you sideways as you approach the junction with Grove Lane. Councils are under a duty in LATOR Regulation 18, to place adequate signage for the restriction. Of course, 'adequate' is subjective, but here I think the assessment has to be inadequate.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1996/2489/regulation/18

So it looks like you have two arguments to put in your representations, (mine and Hippocrates). Certainly do not cough-up just yet ! However, don't miss the deadline for submission of reps.

Hi Incandescent,

Would it be OK to contest on both arguments in same representation or needs to be separate?
And what would be the basis on the contest? The form has got a set reasons for contesting.
What wording would be best to use?

Thanks again and Merry Christmas!
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Quote from: Hippocrates on December 23, 2024, 07:23:28 pm
I will draft my effort privately and offer to represent you.

Morning Hippocrates,

Than you for your help and offer. That would be great. I do not have much experience.
What can I do?
Best!

Happy Christmas!
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https://www.ftla.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4389.0;attach=9838

They cannot serve a charge certificate 28 days from the date of the notice. It must be 28 days from the date of service.
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How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Happy New Year all!
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Quote from: Hippocrates on December 31, 2024, 12:17:55 pm
https://www.ftla.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=4389.0;attach=9838

They cannot serve a charge certificate 28 days from the date of the notice. It must be 28 days from the date of service.

Hi Hippocrates,

I am sorry - I do not understand what you mean - would you elaborate about the charge certificate and the 28 days..., please?

I do like your offer to draft and represent the case.
What I need to do, please?

Thanks!
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Quote from: Enrolme1 on December 26, 2024, 11:28:19 am
Quote from: Hippocrates on December 23, 2024, 07:23:28 pm
I will draft my effort privately and offer to represent you.

Morning Hippocrates,

Than you for your help and offer. That would be great. I do not have much experience.
What can I do?
Best!

Happy Christmas!

I would like very much your offer to draft your ideas and offer to help represent me.
Would you really do that, please?
Let me know how to help myself.
Thanks in advance!
Best
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