Author Topic: Walthamstow - 31 entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited  (Read 500 times)

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Hi

I got a ticket today for entering a box junction.  It happened as I turn right from brettenham road (which to has a box junction at the junction).  The gap between both is so short and before I realised the light at turned red and got caught out. Only bit of the back of my car was in the box and wasn't obstructing any part of the side road nor preventing cars from passing

Do i have any case? Also a car pulled up behind me immediately so I couldn't reverse back out. I have video footage but not sure how to download it as it's on the Waltham forest website..

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

https://imgur.com/a/H0J3Evz

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The link doesn't bring up the documents for me. If you provide the PCN reference number and vehicles registration we can usually access the video for you.

« Last Edit: June 28, 2025, 09:41:47 am by mkdon »

Looks like a contravention if a clear stop.



« Last Edit: June 27, 2025, 11:46:46 pm by stamfordman »

can i not argue that the tree on the left obscured the traffic light was caught out suddenly? the car of infront of me? also there was a car immediately behind and a cyclist pulling out that prevented me being able to reverse out?

How would any of those points negate the fact you must not enter the box without your exit being clear?

Fair point.

To be honest I was caught off guard. I didnt realise lights had turned red and assumed it was flowing traffic. It was only when I got inside the box I notice car in front braking.

It's a really poor lay out. Not much of a gap between the two box junction.

From the video is there anything I can argue or is it a open and shut case?

I can't see any arguments on the basis of the video. That would leave only a technical argument if the council have messed up in some way.
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Yh. Well no harm in trying.  At the very least buys me some time. Im gana go with this appeal

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to formally challenge the above Penalty Charge Notice issued for an alleged contravention at the yellow box junction on Chingford Road at 15:12.09.

At the time, I was turning right from Brettenham Road onto Chingford Road, which itself has a yellow box junction, and the second yellow box on Chingford Road/Brookscroft appears within just a few metres of completing the turn. This extremely short distance offers little time to react or assess downstream traffic conditions, particularly when visibility is compromised.

In this case, the traffic light on the left side of the main road was heavily obscured by trees, and the car ahead of me was travelling quickly. I thus had no reason to believe the lights had changed or that traffic would suddenly halt. As I completed my turn and entered the box, the vehicle ahead began braking while I was already inside the yellow box, leaving me momentarily caught behind it.

I brought my vehicle as close as safely possible to the car ahead, but due to the size of my car, the rear portion of my car remained just slightly within the yellow box. However, at no point was I blocking or impeding the flow of any other vehicles, allowing cars to turn in and from Brookscroft to  Chingford Road and vice versa. I understand the purpose of a yellow box junction is to prevent obstruction—this was not the case in my situation.

Furthermore, I was physically unable to reverse and clear the box as there was a cyclist exiting Brookscroft road in the yellow box already and a car had pulled up closely behind me on the opposite side of the box.

This made reversing unsafe and impractical, leaving me with no option but to wait a few seconds until the traffic began moving again at 15:12:15—a delay of only 6 seconds, during which I caused no disruption or hazard.

Given the combination of poor visibility, the close proximity of back-to-back junctions, the behaviour of the car in front, and the lack of obstruction caused, I believe this PCN was issued under circumstances that fall outside the intended spirit of enforcement. I kindly request that the penalty be reconsidered and cancelled accordingly.

Please refer to the CCTV footage for confirmation of the above facts, particularly the vehicle positions, lack of obstruction, and timing.

Yours faithfully,