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Hillingdon | 50JR - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn), Victoria Road / West Mead
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I received a PCN for a prohibited turn near Ruislip the other day, after coming out of a shopping complex.

Here is the PCN (PDF):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nuRMYKdNp89V2WexK8HskoKrgHd4JlZT

However this shows part of the story, the council video only shows the turning maneuvre off Victoria Road. I had in fact just come out of the signal at a T-junction a few meters before, with the sign being only a few meters after the turn.

This seems well signposted and was about to head off on their website and pay. I went to check my dashcam footage as to why I missed and feels indeed positioned way too near the junction to spot after turning left.


Here is the location T-junction signals coming onto Victoria Road
https://maps.app.goo.gl/SRmPyPwoVEHaMj6y9

The turn on the PCN
https://maps.app.goo.gl/rCh98H5uBLpN32Qk8

This is my path: (edit: it did not like my gdrive image links)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1TP66Kl4ds1N_pwEkLH_-GdCrElnca24j
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_u4dmuo59qDTSTEHaa2qUtmYmBt0wPav





Council footage:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1mDODJsTfVicLopAmyH_Zqqyd9bTCaIbO

Dash Cam (the dashcam timecode is wrong):
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10AycTAFM1hz2rMr5nFGDLYNiJI7ToQhs


I did perform the turn but aside of not being up to date with the latest traffic sign position rules, it does not seem reasonably placed for someone to spot after turning left. I looked right to check oncoming traffic as I came out of the signal, then I looked left in the distance for oncoming traffic on the opposite side, before turning. Completely missing the no-turn sign, which may appear well positioned and lit if just watching this video with hindsight. This is the only sign you can see, the one on the left is obscured before coming off the signals.

Is it worth making representations?

I am on day 8 of the 14 day reduced charge period. Many thanks
« Last Edit: February 28, 2026, 08:47:34 pm by lotk »
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Re: Hillingdon | 50JR - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn), Victoria Road / West Mead
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I have to say I don't see a robust appeal to take to London Tribunals, sorry to have to say it. I say London Tribunals, because the council will refuse your representations no matter what you say.  You came out of a signalled junction, yet say you looked right for traffic. You were proceeding on green signal, so traffic from the right would have been stopped at the traffic lights so no need to look right at all.

At 0.09 of your video, the NRT sign on the central reservation comes clearly into view, (even though it is night). I agree the one on the left is not visible, but you did have plain view of one of the signs.

In terms of the adequacy test in Regulation 18 of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996, I think the council have erected "adequate" signage indicating the restriction. What more do you think they could have done ?
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nuRMYKdNp89V2WexK8HskoKrgHd4JlZT

They CANNOT issue a charge certificate 28 days from the date of the PCN. Back later with a draft and case in support.
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Re: Hillingdon | 50JR - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn), Victoria Road / West Mead
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Quote from: Incandescent on February 28, 2026, 10:42:55 pm
I have to say I don't see a robust appeal to take to London Tribunals, sorry to have to say it. I say London Tribunals, because the council will refuse your representations no matter what you say.  You came out of a signalled junction, yet say you looked right for traffic. You were proceeding on green signal, so traffic from the right would have been stopped at the traffic lights so no need to look right at all.

At 0.09 of your video, the NRT sign on the central reservation comes clearly into view, (even though it is night). I agree the one on the left is not visible, but you did have plain view of one of the signs.

In terms of the adequacy test in Regulation 18 of The Local Authorities’ Traffic Orders (Procedure) (England and Wales) Regulations 1996, I think the council have erected "adequate" signage indicating the restriction. What more do you think they could have done ?

Hi, thank you for the response. I agree that it is going to be really hard to contest this.

As explained in my post, it may appear clear in hindsight on video, but the restriction is not as apparent for someone coming off at the signals. It is a really short window of time to observer it. I always tend to look even if I come off a green signal, because drivers are nuts these days. And even though this was a split second, once I started turning left, attention was on the oncoming lane traffic as I planned to turn soon on satnav. It can also be argued the markings on the road state clearly "Ahead Only". But I wasn't reading that, as I had just come off the lights.

So it is just down to how I experienced this as a driver in live conditions. But certainly not trying to justify, perhaps an island further up with the restriction sign would serve a lot better for those coming off the signals.
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Re: Hillingdon | 50JR - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn), Victoria Road / West Mead
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Quote from: Hippocrates on February 28, 2026, 10:53:08 pm
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nuRMYKdNp89V2WexK8HskoKrgHd4JlZT

They CANNOT issue a charge certificate 28 days from the date of the PCN. Back later with a draft and case in support.

Thank you, are you suggesting there is an issue with the paperwork?
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attention was on the oncoming lane traffic as I planned to turn soon on satnav.
so yet another "satnav-assisted PCN". Using it in London, and, let's be frank, obeying the instructions like an automaton, must be making London councils lots of money these days.
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Re: Hillingdon | 50JR - Performing a prohibited turn (no right turn), Victoria Road / West Mead
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"attention was on the oncoming lane traffic..."

I wasn't using the satnav for instructions, merely meant the turn was so close after the signal on the satnav map.

If I had used the satnav, it would have indeed made the turn at a different junction as it has the turn restriction built in and avoided the PCN 
« Last Edit: March 01, 2026, 09:58:01 pm by lotk »
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Quote from: Hippocrates on February 28, 2026, 10:53:08 pm
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nuRMYKdNp89V2WexK8HskoKrgHd4JlZT

They CANNOT issue a charge certificate 28 days from the date of the PCN. Back later with a draft and case in support.


Any further thoughts on appealing?

I am nearing the 14 day discount period and considering options. Many thanks.
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