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dab996

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Hi All,

Our residents parking scheme now use electronic permits. We have 3 cars serving 2 permits and swap out using the mipermit app for any 2 cars parked in our road. On July 20th we swapped over one of the cars but forgot to swap over the electronic permit and subsequently received the attached PCN.

Do we have any grounds to contest the PCN given the Council know we have valid permits to park 2 vehicles on the road? Or is it a case of we have no grounds given we failed to display a valid permit regardless of the above?

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Re: Residents Parking - failed to display valid permit (electronic)
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2023, 11:33:55 pm »
As per the guidance here https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/read-this-first-before-posting-your-case!-this-section-is-for-council-tfl-dartme/ please post the front of the PCN with no redactions, and also please show us the back of the PCN.

The one ground that can be used for Bristol PCNs is that they use a premium-rate 0870 number, which can be enough to win on its own based on Paul Bateman v Derbyshire County Council (DJ00037-2209, 10 November 2022).
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Re: Residents Parking - failed to display valid permit (electronic)
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2023, 10:57:58 am »
Thank you for the guidance and attachment relating to Bateman v Derbyshire CC and I'm hoping that as Bristol CC also use a premium rate 0870 number this will be sufficient grounds to cancel the PCN. I should be grateful for advice on how to contest this. I have attached the front and back of the PCN unredacted as requested.

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Re: Residents Parking - failed to display valid permit (electronic)
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2023, 04:10:20 pm »
On top of the 0870 number, it seems the contravention wording is wrong. According to the PATROL joint committee, the wording for code 16 is "Parked in a permit space or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit where required".

The wording used by the council cannot possibly apply: if they've not issued you a physical permit, this means that even if you had a valid electronic permit in place, they could still issue a PCN as you weren't physically displaying a permit. This is obviously absurd.

Another argument is that councils outside London can use non-standard wording, but arguably the wording and level of charges must be published somewhere, as this is a mandatory requirement of the Traffic Management Act 2004. Councils that use the PATROL wording can simply point to the PATROL website and claim that PATROL has published it on their behalf, but any council using custom wording cannot rely on the PATROL website so they need to prove they've published the level of charges independently (I somehow doubt they've done this).

Another issue to explore is the question of signage, as there isn't a single photo showing where the sign is in relation to the car:













Can you please give us a link to the exact spot where the car is parked? It's obviously somewhere along here https://goo.gl/maps/uwd8jsVMf2asosKJ8 but I can't immediately pinpoint the exact location.
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Re: Residents Parking - failed to display valid permit (electronic)
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2023, 11:50:30 am »
Really appreciating all the help and as requested, below link shows where LL10KGU was parked, which was in place of the first covered vehicle - https://goo.gl/maps/9e9Wffo7vKRPMAgt8

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Re: Residents Parking - failed to display valid permit (electronic)
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2023, 12:50:54 pm »
Draft representation:

Dear Bristol City Council,

In the first instance I note the CEO's photos do not show where the sign is in relation to my vehicle, so it is unclear how you could persuade an adjudicator that a contravention occurred.

In any event the contravention alleged is unsustainable for the following reasons.

Firstly, we do not have physical permits, the council provides electronic permits. It is therefore impossible to display anything at all, and by your logic a PCN could be issued to all permit holders, because the holder of a valid permit would still be guilty of failing to display a valid permit. A motorist cannot be penalised for failing to display something that does not exist, such as physical permits that are no longer issued.

Further to this, the wording of the contravention you have used does not follow the PATROL wording published at https://www.patrol-uk.info/contravention-codes/ and while the council might be entitled to adopt its own wording, where it does so it must comply with the associated duties under the Traffic Management Act 2004.

Paragraph 9 of Schedule 9 to the Traffic Management Act 2004 provides that:

An enforcement authority for an area outside Greater London shall publish, in such manner as the appropriate national authority may determine, the levels of charges set under this Part of this Schedule.

As the council is not using the PATROL wording, it cannot rely on the PATROL website. However I can find no evidence that the council has independently published the level of charges for the contravention wording used on the PCN, failure to comply with the publication requirement is a procedural impropriety.

Finally I note the PCN provides a premium rate number that carries a surcharge, such a surcharge means the penalty demanded exceeds the amount due in the circumstances of the case. On this point I refer you to the high court ruling in London Borough of Camden v The Parking Adjudicator & Ors [2011] EWHC 295 (Admin) and the recent Traffic Penalty Tribunal decision in Paul Bateman v Derbyshire County Council (DJ00037-2209, 10 November 2022)

In light of the above, the PCN must be cancelled.

Yours faithfully,



I would recommend you put this in a PDF and upload it to the council website as an attachment, to ensure you preserve all italics formatting and indentation. Also upload copies of this and this.

Don't forget to get a screenshot of the confirmation page.
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Re: Residents Parking - failed to display valid permit (electronic)
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2023, 01:25:03 pm »
Thank you so much for the draft representation and I shall keep you posted.

Kind Regards