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Afternoon All

Nothing against you folks, but I'm frequenting this forum more than I'd like to and find myself here again 

The below should be self-explanatory.....

Redacted PCN

CCTV Footage

GSV Link

....and shall be submitting the following reps via email as the Redbridge website isn't working properly:

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Received the attached PCN.

Tried to submit representations online but unable to do so due to technical issues with the LBR website, i.e. the “Enter Representation Details” button doesn’t work.  Hence, this email…..acknowledge receipt.

The representations are as follows:
- The CCTV footage shows that the exit of the yellow junction box (YJB) was clear when the vehicle entered it, i.e. the vehicle was NOT forced to stop in the YJB because of stationary traffic;
- furthermore, it also shows that the vehicle stopped only briefly in the YJB when there was sufficient space to move forward and clear it, should the driver have wished to do so;
- the alleged contravention of ‘31j – Entering and stopping in a box junction when prohibited’ did NOT occur;
- cancel the PCN;
- be forewarned that should you not cancel this PCN, I will be taking this matter to tribunal and making a request for costs.
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Any feedback/advice before I press the 'Send' button?

Thanks in advance.

Regards - NTIAEP

It fails the test of "has to stop due to stationary vehicles", so "contravention did not occur".

@MrChips If I may borrow your measure tape please. 

Redbridge (as expected) have rejected my reps (click here)


Off to tribunal again.....shall I just submit the same reps (see initial post) or anybody suggest amendments/additions?

I am happy to do this one.

No contravention plus:

I had success yesterday re the wording of the PCN which affects most, if not all, 34 authorities' PCNs.

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/lb-havering-code-31j-entering-and-stopping-in-a-box-junction/msg97394/#msg97394

“The PCN - This fails to contain mandatory information at Part 2 Para. 4(8 )(v) provided at:
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukla/2003/3/section/4/enacted

(v)that, if the penalty charge is not paid before the end of the 28 day period, an increased charge may be payable This in turn refers to (iii)

(iii)that the penalty charge must be paid before the end of the period of 28 days beginning with the date of the notice;

The following statement does not clarify this: If after the last day of the period of 28 days beginning with the date on which this PCN is served we may increase the penalty charge by 50% to Ł195.00 and may take steps to enforce payment of the increased charge.”

The difference between date of the notice and the date of service is not necessarily the same. That could lead to miscalculation of the relevant period that the recipient has in which to make payment or submit representations, which could be crucial. The collateral challenge on this point succeeds and so I allow the appeal.


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This is a resurrection of the old so-called "conflation argument";  But, because there is missing information, there is no possible conflation because the "or" cannot possibly be interpreted as conjunctive or disjunctive.  Ms Kaler was with me on that.

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https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg86653/#msg86653

I would shoot the arrow now. NOT later.