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Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
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Hi.  I think I'm bang to rights on this one but hoping to be told otherwise.

Many thanks in advance.




« Last Edit: February 05, 2025, 03:14:30 pm by Dumbum »
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Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
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Please post a link to the exact location, please.

Here's a view of New North Road: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/aisNhupLo67z6AjG8
We need a link like this, but for the exact location. If you go to the street view, then look at the black square top left, you'll see three dots. Click on this for the menu and select "Share or embed image". On the box titled "Share" click on 'Copy Link'. You can then paste it into your post.
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OK, so here is the sign that tells you, (and us), that it is a restricted bus stop. If the sign wasn't there they couldn't enforce it.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/9zBfgbf6MbyGFk9MA

Video shows you already in the bus stop area, backing up and stopping. Anything more you can tell us about why you parked there ?

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GSV link added.I forgot when I posted.  A senior moment !!

« Last Edit: February 05, 2025, 11:00:38 pm by Incandescent »
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Is the sign in the video? Do they have a VCA certificate for the camera?
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Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
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Quote from: Hippocrates on February 05, 2025, 10:35:10 pm
Is the sign in the video? Do they have a VCA certificate for the camera?
I doubt the sign is in the video, as the cameras are here: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/398pe5EbsAPQoNm7A
Video shows the car from above.

As for the VCA certificate, I don't know. Does one only find out at London Tribunals ?
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Quote from: Incandescent on February 05, 2025, 11:03:31 pm
Quote from: Hippocrates on February 05, 2025, 10:35:10 pm
Is the sign in the video? Do they have a VCA certificate for the camera?
I doubt the sign is in the video, as the cameras are here: -
https://maps.app.goo.gl/398pe5EbsAPQoNm7A
Video shows the car from above.

As for the VCA certificate, I don't know. Does one only find out at London Tribunals ?
Won a case v Kingston Monday because they did not provide the certificate. Neither did they provide a picture of the sign which was knackered in any event - sunburn.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
Re: Redbridge. Stopped on bus stop. New North Road Hainault
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Quote from: Incandescent on February 05, 2025, 09:55:18 pm

Video shows you already in the bus stop area, backing up and stopping. Anything more you can tell us about why you parked there ?


I'm afraid I was just dropping someone off to go into the shop there (and waited for her).  My bad entirely.
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Quote from: Hippocrates on February 06, 2025, 09:10:00 am
Won a case v Kingston Monday because they did not provide the certificate. Neither did they provide a picture of the sign which was knackered in any event - sunburn.

That's interesting, well done.

Much chance of success in this case?

Can I request the certificate as "representations" or is there a different procedure?


TIA
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So:

1. Go to their website and screenshot and tick all the hoops.

2. I challenge as follows.

There is no evidence of an upright sign in the video.

I put you to strict proof that the camera used to capture the alleged contravention has the correct approval.

I also request the name of the camera.

I make this collateral challenge in that your website fetters discretion because of all the boxes with grounds which must be ticked even before I can make a formal representation. This is surely wholly prejudicial.

In light of the above, please cancel.
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Quote from: Hippocrates on February 07, 2025, 11:27:45 am
So….

Thank you.

Website doesn’t allow you to tick multiple boxes so filed under “other” exactly as you suggested. Screenshots of everything.

Will await the rejection letter and revisit.


Cheers again.
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As expected the representations have been rejected.

Scans below

Worth appealing?  TIA






« Last Edit: February 16, 2025, 09:00:06 am by Dumbum »
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Looks like they're bluffing their way on the CCTV approval process.
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Quote from: Incandescent on February 16, 2025, 10:05:25 am
Looks like they're bluffing their way on the CCTV approval process.
Well, if this is the evidence they will provide to the Tribunal, the Adjudicator will not be expected to click on a link.

Case for perusal re signage:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bLvPW0TH_QAvabqJdN2FQ3glB_Ow7-kH/view
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I REGRET THAT, FOR THE PRESENT, I AM UNABLE TO TAKE ON ANY MORE CASES AS A REPRESENTATIVE AT THE LONDON TRIBUNALS. THIS IS FOR BOTH PERSONAL AND LEGAL REASONS. PLEASE DO NOT PM ME UNLESS YOU HAVE POSTED YOUR THREAD ON THE FORUM AND I WILL ATTEMPT TO GIVE ADVICE.


If you do not challenge, you join "The Mugged Club".

cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

There are "known knowns" which we may never have wished to know. This applies to them. But in the field the idea that there are also "unknown unknowns" doesn't apply as they hide in the aleatoric lottery. I know this is true and need to be prepared knowing the "unknown unknowns" may well apply.

To Socrates from "Hippocrates"
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Thanks for both replies above.

Chances of success here?

Anyone fancy doing the tribunal?
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