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Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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Hello, you helped someone else recently at this particular bus stop so I'd like to know if there's anything I can do as well.

When I received the fine, I was completely shocked to find it was for parking at a bus stop. I never park at bus stops and thought I had parked in the bay beyond the end of the bus stop. The bus stop stand is situated at the other end and it’s a couple of shops on a residential street so I had no idea the bus stop would be so long. It was also dark (21:35) and the yellow lines and bus stop words are painted on light coloured tarmac so not easy to see in the dark. (I found that out when I went back to look later even though it’s nowhere near home).

My reason for stopping was to go into the shop to drop off a parcel to send (personal not business) which took a couple of minutes. I’ve never been there before, it was on the way back from picking up my child from an activity.

In the daylight, I saw the pole with three cameras on it but they’re up high and you can’t see any of them in the photos or video on the council’s website.

Yes, I did stop in a bus stop albeit unknowingly and will pay it if you think I haven’t got a chance. However, I'm wondering if there's a precedent after the recent ruling as no changes have been made to the site (as far as I can tell)?

https://www.ftla.uk/civil-penalty-charge-notices-(councils-tfl-and-so-on)/redbridge-stopped-on-bus-stop-new-north-road-hainault/

@Hippocrates referred to this ruling as well:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bLvPW0TH_QAvabqJdN2FQ3glB_Ow7-kH/view

Exact location: https://maps.app.goo.gl/cY6NbwJmrc5CMfqK6

The cameras are here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/398pe5EbsAPQoNm7A

Sign saying it’s a restricted bus stop: https://www.google.com/maps/@51.6127657,0.1203316,3a,17.6y,266.35h,89.57t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sq9nD5ZweSODhWl_YPkZLWQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D0.4300000000000068%26panoid%3Dq9nD5ZweSODhWl_YPkZLWQ%26yaw%3D266.35!7i16384!8i8192?authuser=0&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI1MDYwNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

PCN: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/rgzrkqkvojpqtkmpfzxd8/AKZWOJaNKaD37F__sXhloAk?rlkey=rdqybwr92enpjkkg570krmsc5&st=k6hqnyc2&dl=0

Thanks in advance for your time and help, much appreciated.

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Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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Hard to tell exactly from video but does look like you are on the bus stop clearway.

Markings must be clear though. Some cases have been won where the no stopping sign is a long way away.

« Last Edit: June 07, 2025, 12:08:14 am by stamfordman »

Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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I won a case a couple of weeks ago on a technicality re the camera issue.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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I won a case a couple of weeks ago on a technicality re the camera issue.

Yes, that's the one I referred to in my post.
Would you be willing to help me try and do the same, please?

Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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Thanks for reminding me. I am happy to do so, notwithstanding 146th birthday (Gemini) approaching and a trip to my island of my username.  ;D
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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Amazing, thank you! Also a Gemini so happy to help you celebrate – hopefully, with a win! ;D

Please let me know what I need to do next.

Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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I am useless with dropbox  etc so please PM me if you prefer the PCN details with VRM so I can take a look. let's hope they have not learnt from the previous decisions.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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I am useless with dropbox  etc so please PM me if you prefer the PCN details with VRM so I can take a look. let's hope they have not learnt from the previous decisions.

PM sent. Thanks very much and fingers crossed they haven't! :)

Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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Dear Redbridge

The video evidence does not show any upright sign(s) necessary to prove the alleged contravention.

I saw no such sign(s). I use the plural because the TSM recommends the placing of at least two signs at either end in such a lengthy bus stop.

Considering the above, please cancel the PCN.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r

Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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Dear Redbridge

The video evidence does not show any upright sign(s) necessary to prove the alleged contravention.

I saw no such sign(s). I use the plural because the TSM recommends the placing of at least two signs at either end in such a lengthy bus stop.

Considering the above, please cancel the PCN.

Just submitted, I'll let you know the outcome.

Much appreciated! :)

Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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Dear Redbridge

The video evidence does not show any upright sign(s) necessary to prove the alleged contravention.

I saw no such sign(s). I use the plural because the TSM recommends the placing of at least two signs at either end in such a lengthy bus stop.

Considering the above, please cancel the PCN.

Just submitted, I'll let you know the outcome.

Much appreciated! :)

Hi @Hippocrates, hope you're well.

I received a rejection letter today:




Please note their reply in paragraph 5: "Your comments are noted, however, this does not warrant the cancellation of the PCN. I am satisfied and confident that the PCN has been issued correctly and remains valid."

They also suggest I visit the borough's site to review the CCTV, however, when I click on the link (on a laptop), it doesn't allow me to do so. The page reads:

"Make Representations, Challenge or Pay your Penalty Charge Notice Online
Your Penalty Charge Notice/Notice to Owner has now passed the statutory 28-day period given to make a representation, therefore you are unable to currently make any further representation online.

If you have paid the PCN, the case has been closed and you are unable to make any further challenge/representation online.

If your PCN starts with AF0, AF3, AF6, AF8, AF9 please check back later as we are currently undergoing system maintenance."

I've taken a screenshot in case it's needed at any point.

I'd be happy to take the next step and appeal at the Tribunal. Please let me know if you'd be happy to help with that and if so what I need to do. Thanks!

Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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Dear Redbridge

The video evidence does not show any upright sign(s) necessary to prove the alleged contravention.

I saw no such sign(s). I use the plural because the TSM recommends the placing of at least two signs at either end in such a lengthy bus stop.

Considering the above, please cancel the PCN.

Just submitted, I'll let you know the outcome.

Much appreciated! :)

Hi @Hippocrates, hope you're well.

I received a rejection letter today:




Please note their reply in paragraph 5: "Your comments are noted, however, this does not warrant the cancellation of the PCN. I am satisfied and confident that the PCN has been issued correctly and remains valid."

They also suggest I visit the borough's site to review the CCTV, however, when I click on the link (on a laptop), it doesn't allow me to do so. The page reads:

"Make Representations, Challenge or Pay your Penalty Charge Notice Online
Your Penalty Charge Notice/Notice to Owner has now passed the statutory 28-day period given to make a representation, therefore you are unable to currently make any further representation online.

If you have paid the PCN, the case has been closed and you are unable to make any further challenge/representation online.

If your PCN starts with AF0, AF3, AF6, AF8, AF9 please check back later as we are currently undergoing system maintenance."

I've taken a screenshot in case it's needed at any point.

I'd be happy to take the next step and appeal at the Tribunal. Please let me know if you'd be happy to help with that and if so what I need to do. Thanks!


@cp8759 hope it's ok to tag you here. I'm just wondering if anyone else is available to help with this. I've only got a week left to appeal and am going away so need to deal with it before I go. TIA

Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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PM received. I am.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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PM received. I am.

Thanks, will wait to hear from you :)

Re: Redbridge. Stopped on a bus stop. New North Road, Hainault
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I will deal with this tomorrow.
IF YOU RECEIVE A MOVING TRAFFIC PCN PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE MAKING A REPRESENTATION:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/moving-traffic-pcns-missing-mandatory-information-the-london-local-authorities-a/msg102639/#msg102639


How do we get more people to fight their PCNs?

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/how-do-we-get-more-people-to-fight-their-pcns/msg41917/#msg41917

If you do not even make a challenge, you will surely join "The Mugged Club".

I am not omniscient. cp8759 and mrmustard are true geniuses. I know my place in the hierarchy of The Three Musketeers. 😊 "The Clinician", "The Gentleman" and "The Showman"

My e mail address for councils:

J.BOND007@H.M.S.S.c/oVAUXHALLBRIDGE/LICENSEDTOEXPOSE.SCAMS.CO.UK

Last mission accomplished:

https://www.ftla.uk/the-flame-pit/southwark-to-r
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